October 08, 2005
What Would It Take?
What would it take for you to vote Democrat?
Via Protein Wisdom, I found an intersting post from Rox Populi, where she is asking moderate Republicans and moderate Independents what it would take for the Democratic Party to get your vote.
Please head on over and let Rox know what it would take, and if you would be so kind, copy your comment here as well.
Here is mine, I thiought it might stir some response, but I was wrong (sadly, again).
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I will consider the question only after the following:
1. The party apologizes for lettly Michael Moore into the guest of honor seat at the last convention.
2. Dr. Dean is canned and renounced
3. MoveOn, Casey Sheehan, ANSWER and the rest of the extreme left is renounced and contributions are returned.
So I guess what I am saying is when hell freezes over.
Posted by: Sinner at October 8, 2005 05:08 PMHere's a copy of what I posted:
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I am a registered Independent. However, I relate well to the Democrats at the local level where I live. At the national level, the Democrats would have to jettison the extreme left-wingers who wring their collective hands, shreik incoherently, and leave a puddle on the floor wherever they go. Idiots like Penn, Moore, and Sheehan cannot be seen as centrist if the Dems are to win my vote in the next election.
Incidently, I'm fed up with the Republicans as well. It seems to me that BOTH parties are grossly out of touch with the American mainstream. I am sick to death of the red state/blue state tomato throwing.
I want my elected officials to protect my country, be fiscally responsible and conservative with my tax dollars, and be a good steward of the environment while providing the energy resources we need to keep our country powerful and free.
The man or woman who seriously addresses these issues in a competent, calm manner, without the shrill hyperbole, will have my vote.
Posted by: lady redhawk at October 8, 2005 07:10 PMWhat would it take?
Simple - for dems to stop lying about what is going on in Iraq.
All I hear is body count, body count, body count. That's a load of rubbish. Sure people are dying, but that is just high frequency noise -- the inevitable "friction" of conflict.
When I read things like Yon's dispatches, the recent Brown interview, and root around for non-US news I see much broader tectonic shifts occuring.
I see a more desperate AQ, recuriting and fielding untrained teenagers. I see them resorting to kidnapping civies and threatening to kill their families unless they'll do a suicide bombing. These are NOT the tactics someone who is winning has to resort to. These are the tactics of very very desperate people on the ropes. This is like Hitler throwing the geriatric home guard and Hitler youth into the lines.
I see an Iraqi civie population more and more willing to roll over on the terrorists and "drop a dime".
I see 300 mortar attacks/month in Mosul decline to 3/month.
I see an AQ that has made a fatal mistake in targeting civies. al Zwahiri has harshly chastized Zarquawi about this screw up. How does one terrorist "rebuke" a terrorist if they don't agree? There is no retirement plan, just a bullet in the head.
I see Kuwait, Pakistan, Tunesia, and Israel discussing the notion of diplomatic relations and trade.
I see Kuwait recently cutting loose the Palestinians saying its their own deal now.
I see the FBI being invited into Lebanon to investigate bombings there.
I see Syria pulling out of Lebanon.
I see Hamas honchos being kidnapped off the street by previously unknown groups who issue statements saying they are sick and tired of Hamas's crap.
When the democrats STOP saying they'd throw this all way, they maybe they can get my vote.
I won't hold my breath.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 8, 2005 08:20 PMThere is an awful lot the Dems would have to do to garner my conservative vote - like embrace the conservative values once again. Once upon a time (reads like a fairy tail, doesn't it) the Democratic Party believed in a strong national defense, believed in family values and believed in God. They were not the point party of radical social programs, touting racism at every opportunity propagating division rather than unity, and would have told the ALCU to go back into the hole they climbed out of, and their core truly believed in God and creation, and the Ten Commandments were not something to be removed from public view. Life was once prescious and choice would have meant to engage in illicit behavior or not. The party used to believe that homosexuality was deviate behavior which did not warrant special rights and protection.
If the party whole were to ever return to its roots, then I would embrace their conservative candidates equally with conservative Republican and Libertarian candidates.
Unfortunately, the party seems very comfortable in being advesarial and in-your-face liberal - goaded on by those that espouse the most radical liberal ideologue.
By contrast, I do not perceive the Republican party being led by the nose by the "radical rights" of the conservative party. I see a lot of left leaning reporting making that accusation, but do not see that actually happening. Also by contrast, I do not see the vitriol and pure hate of the liberals in the conservative populace. Yeah, we have our radicals, but they seem to be a much smaller percentage of the ideologue populace than in the liberal ideologue.
Based upon the above, I do not see myself supporting a Democratic candidate within the remainder of my lifetime.
Posted by: Old Soldier at October 9, 2005 09:11 AM-distance themselves from MoveOn.org, George Soros, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, DailyKos etc etc
-agree that the only way to fight terrorism is to bring some form of representative government and capitalsim to the Middle East
-stop talking about tax cuts only helping the rich
-push unions to allow members to freely decide if they will contribute to politics in any way
-stop supporting judicial activism
-have a plan to stop illegal immigration or better protect all our borders.
Posted by: kc at October 9, 2005 02:48 PMI forgot to post this back here to you after I posted it there. Evidently just the thought of what it would take to make me vote democrat has effected my "follow through".
Anyway here it is:
I'm not a Moderate- but I do have a list of things which would help in persuading me to vote Demo.
A) Stop letting Hillary or anyone related to the Clintons for that matter- run for any type of office at all. I don't want to even see them trying for a seat on the PTA.
B) Tougher Sexual Offender Laws, Sentencing.
C) Stop supporting the ACLU. Those people truly bother me.
D) I really like David's "Duct tape Michael Moore's pie hole. Cindy Sheehan too, while you are at it. The rank anti-Semitism of the left is too much. It makes the old conspiracy nut-job fundamentalist preacher Carl MacIntyre look sane, and I didn't think that could ever be done. Every time they open their mouth, I hear the Democrats moving farther away from me. " So you may add that to my list too.
E)And Wesley's gun control and moveon.org suggestions are pretty head on to.
I would vote for Zell Miller, if only to see him challenge Soros to a duel.
Posted by: Doug Halsted at October 11, 2005 03:18 PM