July 24, 2006
Why Liberals Can't Win Wars
Ive seen some stupid posts reading liberal blogs, but with the exception of anything from Oliver Willis, this faux "we care about the troops" post from Billmon piggy-backing on Christian Science Monitor excretion (currently now offline—were they embarrassed of it?) might be the new gold standard:
Earlier this week I linked to a commentary from William S. Lind in which he warned that war with Iran could result in the loss of the 140,000 man army America currently has bogged down in Iraq. This may have seemed far-fetched, given the enormous military disparity between the two sides. But Col. Pat Lang, a former intelligence officer, explains how and why it could happen:American troops all over central and northern Iraq are supplied with fuel, food, and ammunition by truck convoy from a supply base hundreds of miles away in Kuwait. All but a small amount of our soldiers' supplies come into the country over roads that pass through the Shiite-dominated south of Iraq . . . Southern Iraq is thoroughly infiltrated by Iranian special operations forces working with Shiite militias, such as Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army and the Badr Brigades. Hostilities between Iran and the United States or a change in attitude toward US forces on the part of the Baghdad government could quickly turn the supply roads into a "shooting gallery" 400 to 800 miles long. (Christian Science Monitor, via No Quarter)There's a saying: Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics. And in the case of the U.S. Army, they talk it about a lot. This has been true almost as long as there's been a U.S. Army. During the 1944-45 campaign in Europe, for example, each U.S. division consumed 650 tons of food, gas, ammo and other supplies per day -- roughly three times what the German Army managed to get by on. Logistical requirements have only exploded since then. Those lobster tails they're eating at Camp Victory don't grow on the trees.
If the supply lines back to Kuwait were to be cut -- or even seriously interdicted -- the U.S. military presence in Iraq would quickly become untenable. I'm not even sure the Army could scrounge enough gas to keep the tanks and Humvees moving, given that Iraq already suffers from a severe refining capacity shortage and must import most of its gasoline from Kuwait.
He then breathlessly (and no doubt hopefully) adds:
In other words, in the event of a real world war -- as opposed to the kind that pundits pontificate about on Fox News -- Centcom would either have to "pacify" the transportation routes through southern Iraq quickly and ruthlessly (which might not be possible, given the troops available and the possibility some Iraqi units might turn on their putative allies) or try to evacuate some or most U.S. forces from Iraq, either by air or ground.We're talking, on other words, about a potential debacle -- the worst U.S. military defeat since Pearl Harbor.
Pearl Harbor? Err, no. Laughably, no.
Billmon, thank you for once again proving why when it comes to discussing military matters, liberals aren't ready to move up from the kid's table.
Here is the reality of the situation.
According to credible sources Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army may number as many as 10,000 Iraqi Shia militiamen possessing mainly small arms (AK-47, light machine guns, RPGs). Only perhaps a tenth of that force has even minimal military training. Even with Iranian Revolutionary Guards providing some more modern weaponry and training, the Madhi Army has decisively lost every conflict it has engaged in against coalition forces in the past two years, including recent raids carried out by Iraqi government forces. A Madhi Army of lightly armed, poorly trained, and poorly led militiamen cannot hope to perform the feats required to fulfill the sick fantasy shared by Billmon and the CSM. Presently, it is a bit more occupied with not getting erradicated like crabgrass.
But what if they had help?
The quote Billmon pulls from the CSM article speaks of the "Badr Brigades."
I see that the crack staff of the CSM and Billmon are really up with current events, as the Badr Brigades haven't been called that for three years now, restyling themselves the Badr Organization and joining in the political process as part of the United Iraqi Alliance coalition.
They've played a lead role in fighting the insurgency around Karbala, and while occasionally at odds with the British forces in southern Iraq and seen as a sectarian militia by most, it has neither the manpower nor the weaponry (even with covert Iranian Revolutionary Guards support) to pose a military threat should it suddenly decide to forego the gains it has made as part of the political process. The several thousand man organization is even more lightly armed than the Madhi Army.
So who, praytell, will supply the OPFOR in "a 'shooting gallery' 400 to 800 miles long" that Billmon so fears?
The only discernible force left is Iran proper, and indeed, Pentagon planners have envisioned and planned for a multiple responses to the scenario of Iranian forces made a stab across the southern tip of Iraq in an attempt to cut off U.S. forces.
Sadly, the loss of life would be tremendous in such a campaign, but the victor of such a struggle has never been in doubt.
The Iranian Army numbers 350,000 with 200,000 being poorly trained and equipped (by U.S. standards) conscripts. It has only one true armored division and two mechanized infantry divisions, with no real air force or Navy to speak of, and air defenses severely outmoded even with the recent addition of Soviet TOR-1 batteries.
Iranian tanks—mostly T-72 variants that originated in the 1970s and T-54/55s that were originally designed at the end of WWII—would be the tip of the Iranian spear. Along with the hundreds of mostly-outdated infantry fighting vehicles they can bring to bear, these would all be inviting targets for allied air forces that unquestioningly own the airspace in the region.
Any southern invasion by Iran would be a replay of the Highway of Death on a massive, tragic scale.
This wuld be nothing like another Pearl Harbor as Billmon so hysterically intones, and would far more likely be another highway 80 in the first Gulf War, or the closing of the Falaise pocket Todesgang, or "death road" of World War II that sealed the German defeat in Normandy.
Start to finish, such an invasion would last less than a week, causing a discernable wrinkle to the supply lines (which would simply reroute westward for a short time) but fail miserably in its primary aim, while losing the bulk of the military force projected into Iraq in the process.
Of course were the Iranian invasion and massacre to come to pass, rest assured Billmon to be among the first to call for war crimes trials against the United States for crushing the Iranian invasion.
Of course, he'd probably screw that up as well.
Such an act would also free us up to take out the Mullahs as well as the Revolutionary Guard. Oh, and Ahmadinnerjacket, too. And nuke sites. Every time I'm ready to hit post, I think of another reason it would be good news. I suppose in that way, it would be like Pearl Harbor - a massively misguided attempt to take out the US which leads to the aggressor's ultimate destruction.
Posted by: Tim at July 24, 2006 10:50 AMI agree for the most part, but urge you to not outright dismis the IRIN. While the materiel outcome of a Naval engagement with the USN cannot be questioned, their three Kilos and numerous Yugo-type SSMs provide both a credible SOF insertion capability along with a real potential to cause major damage or loss of a large warship. In light of the perpetual Chicken Little act the MSM and Democrats have continually played vis-a-vis Afganistan and Iraq we must unfortunately be aware of the political effect of a major SOF strike against US interests in Bahrain or Abu Dhabi or a CVN receiving several hits from a Kilo with several hundred casualties.
As the subject article itself so aptly demonstrates, the enemy doesn't even need to win a sigle battle to make enough noise to scare the naysayers.
Posted by: submandave at July 25, 2006 10:58 AMAnother silly post. Sneering at pseudonymous lefty bloggers, or as you put it, "the crack staff of the CSM and Billmon," is easy sport. But I don't see you taking on the underlying opinions of the autorities Billmon cites in any substantive way. Now why would that be... Let's play compare the credentials!
Patrick Lang:
Lang graduated from the Virginia Military Institute (BA in English) and the University of Utah (MA in Middle East Studies). He is a member of Phi Kappa Phi. He is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (the Green Berets). He is a graduate of the U.S. Army War College, the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and the Armed Forces Staff College. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years. He was the first Professor of the Arabic language at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) he was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism,” and later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service.” At the DIA, he was a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service. For his service in DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.”
Confederate Yankee:
My real name is Bob Owens. I have Master of Arts in English from East Carolina University. I’ve been a day laborer, college freshman composition instructor, salesman, sports writer, web designer, and technical writer. I've moved back south since starting this blog in New York, and currently blog from the vicinity of Raleigh, North Carolina.
...thank you for once again proving why when it comes to discussing military matters, liberals aren't ready to move up from the kid's table.
Are you sure that's the big table you're sitting at Bob? Looks kinda short to me. But hey, you might want to call West Point and let them know you're available. By the way, FDR kicked Hitler's ass. Chimpy couldn't even handle the invasion of a 3rd world dictatorship.
Pinson, I can cite a whole lot of folks with impressive resumes who don't know what the hell they're talking about.
I showed in the main post documented, linked facts from the world's largest private intelligence agency, and relevant analysis of current operations and capabilities of the forces in question. Your much vaunted expert with all the right credentials can't even get the name of one of the groups right.
Patrick Lang sure has an impressive pedigree. Too bad he doesn't seem capable of equipping to you play a game of "compare the facts."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 25, 2006 11:44 PMI guess that Billmon never heard of Inchon where McArthur ourflanked the North Koreans in a brilliant amphibious attack. I'm sure that if there is conflict between Iran and the USA we will hit them where they least expect it.
Posted by: docdave at July 27, 2006 08:50 PMIf the Iranians intervene in Iraq it will be through people like Al Sadr using guerilla war tactics. They will not be dumb enough to come across the border in conventional warfare style. The US supply line is long & open to hit & run attacks. These attacks probably could not cut the supply line, but they might well put a strain on re-supply enough to limit the missions the US military could undertake. Also it would force the US to send significant number of troops to secure the supply line, thus further stretching US troops over a bigger area. The Iranians could also send their armed speed boats, they have hundreds, to attack the oil tankers as they go through the narrow Straits of Hormenz. Again they would not have to suceed in closing the Straits, just trying to will be enough to drive oil prices up further. How do you think Americans will re-act to $5 dollar a gallon gasoline? Nuisance value, being the flea you cannot itch, is often the best way to suceed in guerilla warfare
Posted by: David All at July 28, 2006 04:26 PMPinson, You're not well versed in the military history of WWll. While FDRUSA did help and had much to be proud of defeating the Nazis. The two most important figures leading to the defeat of Hitler were, and in this order: Adolf Hitler then Joseph Stalin/Russia. The Russians sacrificed far more, mostly from poor leadership, and contributed to the defeat of Nazi Germany, with the help of father winter, the vastness of the russian expanse, the poorness of the russian territory ( no real roads ) and the absolute idiotic leadership of the little corporal. The USA did a portion of the heavy lifting but in no way the magnitude of the russian contribution. This isn't new info, or anti USA, it's just the way it went down.
Best Regards!!