August 10, 2006

Meanwhile, in the Psychosphere...

As details emerge on today's foiled mass murder plot from members of the Religion of Peace, most people are thankful that the attacks were thwarted and that many of those involved in the plot have either been arrested or are on the run.

Of course, that would be most normal people.

The Jim Jones wing of the Democratic Party smells a conspiracy.

Although it may not be a "cry wolf" situation, I am skeptical because of the timing. Granted the timing would have been better for BushCo, Inc. for this to break prior to Holy Joe's spanking in CT, it still fits in the every other year (just before elections) pattern of TERROR!!!! alerts. Or am too cynical?

Comment by BuzzMon

Yeah, yeah, yeah, even if this is real, the timing is a political event. (9/11 redux.) I'm both skeptical and jaded. Bojinko!

Comment by eCAHNomics

Damn Brits. They weren't supposed to run this op until two weeks before the election!

Comment by Castor Troy

From the latest AP story, he're the key line:

"Officials said the government has been aware of the nature of the threat for several days."

In other words, instead of warning people a few days ago when they would have been out of harm's way, they created maximum inconvenience at a time of maximum danger for maximum effect after setting the whole thing up with tony snow's press conference yesterday.

Comment by angry young man

I guess the 2006 election season has now officially begun

Comment by DeepDarkDiamond

These comments are just a few representative excerpts from one popular liberal blog, but they mirror the comments made by many others.

It would seem a sizable portion of the Far Left thinks George Bush and Tony Blair engineered a massive al Qaeda terrorist plot to punish liberals for selecting Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Democratic Primary. What, you haven't heard that one yet? Don't worry.

You will. They did.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at August 10, 2006 10:40 AM | TrackBack

That mindset makes no sense to me.

It's too early to make an impact on the Nov election.

It's too late to take away anything from the CT election.

It happened in England, not here so it doesn't reflect on our DHS but thiers. (Good Job Brits by the way, keep up the good work).

How does this exactly help BushCo? (Other than we caught some more bad guys proving there is terrorists out there that is).

Posted by: Retired Navy at August 10, 2006 10:54 AM

It must be nice to go from point 'A' to point 'B' and never have your feet touch the ground... but then, again, having to constantly polish that Plexiglas belly button must get awfuly tiring.

Posted by: Old Soldier at August 10, 2006 01:33 PM

This post is in violation of Kevin's Law:

"If you're forced to rely on random blog commenters to make a point about the prevalence of some form or another of disagreeable behavior, you've pretty much made exactly the opposite point."

See this post by Kevin Drum for a fuller explanation:

Posted by: Nate at August 10, 2006 02:46 PM

"Kevin's Law," huh? Did you actually read it, Nate?

...if the best evidence of wackjobism you can find is a few anonymous nutballs commenting on a blog, then the particular brand of wackjobism you're complaining about must not be very widespread after all.

This wasn't a "few anonymous nutballs" when I grabbed these quotes from the Carpetbagger report, it was a prevailing theme, even though the blog proprietor said nothing in his post to prompt them into going this way. They chose to be conspiracy theorists when completely unprompted.

What about John from Americablog? He isn’t an anonymous person in the comments, but a very popular left wing blogger—mainstream for your side.

The corollary to Kevin’s Law is Bob’s Razor, which is simply this:

When the evidence of “whackjobism” isn’t a few anonymous comments, but is instead a widely held belief that largely goes unchallenged within that community, then the most logical assumption is that that belief is widely held by that community.

The long and the short of it is that "Kevin's Law," by its own definition, doesn't apply.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 10, 2006 03:13 PM
It would seem a sizable portion of the Far Left thinks George Bush and Tony Blair engineered a massive al Qaeda terrorist plot to punish liberals for selecting Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Democratic Primary.

Sheesh! These people are so self-absorbed, all about them and their issues. I wonder when their leaders will get around to telling them that GWB IS NOT RUNNING again. And I can't wait until they catch up to the press conference from the Brits this morning saying that this terror plot had been under close surveillance for months, including tracking thru financial records

Posted by: Sara (Squiggler) at August 10, 2006 03:47 PM

Whenever something like this happens, the timing is always believed to help Bush. People cast around for some reason why the supposed burst in popularity it gives him came at some critical moment. The critical moment might be something happening legislatively, something happening militarily, something happening electorally, or something that helps our foreign policy PR with a key ally. Whenever the terrorists illustrate their evil, there's always something around that can be waved to show that it benefits Bush.

There is only one conclusion to draw from this. Reality benefits Bush.

Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at August 10, 2006 07:44 PM

Bush and everybody aside, we still have Aug 22-27 to be concerned with, Muslims deal in numerology and that's the night Muhammed got on a strange horse and there was a bright light over Jerusalem when he vaulted into the air and up to heaven. (he was really dead in a 9 year olds arms) but so what, if it is a good day to explode a bomb over Israel, so what.
I'm glad Israel is fighting against it (Islam that is). I heard a submarine or two off of the coast of Iran. Get those virgins ready, there might have to be millions of them.. Think of Allah's costs in make-up and Burkas?

Posted by: Lansing at August 10, 2006 10:32 PM

I question the timing. Of the Democrats. Fresh off a primary victory in a solidly blue state where there candidate received a whopping 52% of the vote, the loony left immediately drinks deeply from the my-head-is-in-my-ass Kool-Aid, puts on its Helter-Skelter mask and then proceeds to shriek nonsensically like a spider monkey on crystal meth.

And this is how they think to drum up public support just when things might be breaking their way politically? Apparently Karl Rove's reach is longer than even I had thought.

Posted by: physics geek at August 11, 2006 08:21 AM

Clearly Rove is falling down on the job. If he was on top of things this plot would have been revealed the day before the primary, not the day after. Obviously an error like this is deserving of a frog-march.

Posted by: Jane at August 11, 2006 08:47 AM

The navel gazers see only connections having to do with their guilt-ridden, America sucks, and highly narcisistic view of the world. I should know, I used to be a far-lefty, someone who put myself way above main-stream politics.

Posted by: Christie at August 11, 2006 11:05 AM

Of course the lefties think this was staged to help Bush. Every time Clinton's poll numbers dwindled or Ken Star was preparing news conference, our military would start bombing someone. They don't like it because it is something they think only Democrats should be allowed to do. Like gerrymandering districts.

Posted by: Tom D at August 11, 2006 12:13 PM

If the London incident is a real plot to blow up planes then it should be taken very seriously.

However, discovering a plot to blow up 20 airplanes using unspecified "liquid explosives" in an act that is “suggestive of al Qaeda” and happening a day after the defeat of a pro-war politician is a little too convenient.

Posted by: ClearwaterConservative at August 12, 2006 07:50 AM

happening a day after the defeat of a pro-war politician is a little too convenient.

Britain, Italy, and Pakistan are all Republican enablers? They conspired with the Bush administration to punish the Dem party for defeating a pro-war politician?

Ok. Got it.

Posted by: SouthernRoots at August 12, 2006 04:22 PM

I don't think anybody claimed that Bush created the plot. The idea was simply that the administration pushed for prematurely revealing the plot for political purposes. Bush has exploited many crises to advance his agenda based on fear and threat.

Posted by: Dale at August 16, 2006 04:08 PM


I'm flattered that you used my post. And I fail to see how anything my fellow Carpetbaggers I said hasn't proven true. In fact, the White House has been thrown into an increasingly ugly light.

--The White House encouraged the Brits to move even though the supposed terrorists weren't an imminent threat (no plane tix, no passports) and the Brits felt that sustained surveillance would be valuable.
--The night before the roundup, the Bush Administration and its mouthpieces trumpeted the fact that a vote for Lamont was a vote for Osama.
--None of the people arrested has been charged.
--Many of the restrictions on travellers have been lifted.
--This type of attack was predicted years ago, but nothing was done to prevent it. These suspects have been under surveillance for months and no precautions were put in place.

That Olbermann can show a dozen instances when precisely this type of fear marketing was done to promote the War on Terror (TM), only proves that this is a hoary campaign--and one that is proving increasingly ineffective. Bush remains in the mid-30s, which is probably his political specific gravity.

As to those who don't understand our mindset, you also don't seem to understand that you are Barnum's "some of the people all of the time."

Posted by: angry young man at August 16, 2006 05:53 PM

Let me add this from one of your own, someone who frustrates with his desperate attempts to believe in Bush despite all evidence to the contrary, Andrew Sullivan. It seems that even he no longer has any love for him:

"The British authorities have produced no evidence so far. If the only evidence they have was from torturing someone in Pakistan, then they have nothing that can stand up in anything like a court. I wonder if this story is going to get more interesting. I wonder if Lieberman’s defeat, the resilience of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the emergence of a Hezbollah-style government in Iraq had any bearing on the decision by Bush and Blair to pre-empt the British police and order this alleged plot disabled. I wish I didn’t find these questions popping into my head. But the alternative is to trust the Bush administration.

"Been there. Done that. Learned my lesson."

Posted by: angry young man at August 16, 2006 07:06 PM

"However, discovering a plot to blow up 20 airplanes using unspecified "liquid explosives" in an act that is “suggestive of al Qaeda” and happening a day after the defeat of a pro-war politician is a little too convenient" (from ClearwaterConservative)

Unfortunately, these guys DO NOT keep written records of their deeds or orders for an investigator to search. They DO NOT file their acts and DO NOT act as we are used to by our own hierarchy. In case of street gangs, do you expect the police to come up with written orders of aggression against a rival gang? Or to produce written evidence on the pipe bombs used to blow the head off the rival gang's leader? The guys we're dealing with are in the same biological species - only worse. Thus, relying on "shared info" can - and WILL, sometimes - produce blunders, misconducts or false allegations regarding an individual.

But, since the terrorists seem to know all too well how to use our system (both legal and civil) against us, what solution do YOU propose to counter the plainjacking (or any other "deed" they might plot)? I can't see a better one - not now, anyway.

Posted by: cottonbud at August 17, 2006 03:57 AM
I'm flattered that you used my post. And I fail to see how anything my fellow Carpetbaggers I said hasn't proven true.

Oh really?

I guess the fact that MI5 has this evidence does nothing to quiet the nutroots:

  • infiltrated the bomb factory itself and found both the liquid explosives and the detonators;
  • had planted bugs in the homes of the terrorists, capturing house of evidence on tape
  • compiled video, audio, and photo evidence from on-going, 24-hour surrveillance of the suspects

They did everything but get their easily-acquired fake passports and buy tickets, and I think that having explosives and hours of recorded evidence, if true, is quite enough to put them in jail for quite a long time.

And for the record, Andrew Sullivan can claim to be a conservative if he wants (he could claim to be a an Eskimo Pie, but that doesn't make him dessert, just crazy), but a simple reading of his collected works of say, the last six months, reveals a man who is anything but conservative, and increasingly wandering further out into the uncharted wasteland's of Alex Jones fizzled mind.

Feel free to claim him as your own. Few real conservatives will.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 17, 2006 10:30 AM