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October 13, 2006

Guards: I Can't Gitmo Satisfaction

If some of the stories told to Sgt. Heather Cerveny by guards at Guantanamo Bay are true, I hope the offenders are appropriately punished, but parts of Cerveny’s affidavit are simply sad:

During my conversations with these people, one Sailor who called himself Bo (rank and last name unknown) told the group stories involving detainees. Bo was 19 years old and had been working at Guantanamo Bay for almost one year. He was about 5”10” and 180 pounds. He was Caucasian, with blond hair and blue eyes. Bo told the other guards and me about him beating different detainees being help in the prison. One such story Bo told involved him taking a detainee by the head and hitting the detainee’s head into the cell door. Bo said that his actions wee known to others. I asked him if he had been charged with an offense for beating and abusing this detainee. He told me nothing happened to him. He received neither nonjudicial punishment or court-martial. And he never even received formal counseling. He was eventually moved to the maintenance section but this did not occur until some time after the incident where he slammed the detainee’s head into the cell door.

Detainee abuse is a bad thing, but Sgt. Heather’s apparent incredulity that Bo didn’t even get counseling makes me either want to laugh or cry… I haven’t decided which yet.

It is worth noting that this and all the other admissions came as a lonely, undoubtedly horny sailors were trying to impress a girl in a bar. Pardon me if I hold out hope that his apparent attempt to be “bar tough” is just one more lie to join the hundreds of millions told in a fruitless attempt to impress women.

What Sgt. Heather also seems to consider abuse outside of several claims of hitting detainees, however, is well, questionable.

I recall speaking with a guard named Steven. Steven was a Caucasian male, about 5”8”, 170 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. He stated that he used to work in Camp 5 but he now works in Camp 6. He works on one of the “blocks” as a guard. He told me that even when a detainee is being good, they will take his personal items away. He said that they do this to anger the detainees so that they can punish them when they object or complain. I asked Steven why he treats detainees this way. He said it is because he hates the detainees and that they are bad people. And he stated that he doesn’t like having to take care of them or be nice to them. Steven also added that his “only job was to keep the detainees alive.” I understood this to mean that as long as the detainees were kept alive, he didn’t care what happened to them.

I bet Sgt. Heather is probably a very nice person, kind to old people and animals, and is probably just the girl you’d like to take home to meet dear old Mom and Dad, but would someone please explain to her what holy Hell these people are in prison for?

They are Islamic terrorists who want nothing more than to see Americans dead. These same inmates have a long record of flinging various bodily liquids at guards, assaulting them with homemade weapons, and generally not being nice people. God forbid that Steven doesn’t like them and occasionally confiscates the personal effects from an inmate that once forced him to remove a uniform covered in , urine, feces, spit, or semen, or who once tried to cut him with a shiv.

And God forbid, she’s upset that they might not be getting their mail in a timely manner:

I asked Shawn why it often takes 6 months of so for them to get their mail. Shawn replied that there is often a delay because the mailroom personnel have to look through everything and get it translated prior to the mail being forwarded to detainees. I then asked why it would possibly still take six months if the mail matter was printed in English. Shawn said there wouldn’t really be a reason and it was not uncommon for them to withhold the mail of detainees until they, the mailroom clerks, decided to forward the mail.

Prisoner abuse—hitting and punching them without prevarication or just cause—is patently wrong. But Sgt. Heather seems to be under the delusion that Marines and sailors have a duty to be nice and go out of their way to provide prompt, courteous, and friendly service to terrorists, as if Guantanamo Bay was a resort. Someone needs to write this little Marine paralegal a reality check.

Of course, Brian Ross sees this as a major scandal. I guess Foleygate must not be having the desired effect.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at October 13, 2006 03:47 PM | TrackBack
Comments

Should the guards have been nice to the innocents who have since been released from Guantanamo?

Posted by: monkyboy at October 13, 2006 04:05 PM

I watch Fox news frequently and read political blogs just to see how crazy the "other" side is....and often wonder if it were twenty years or thirty years earlier, I'd be seeing journalist defending torcher. How sad we have lowered ourselves.

I find myself watching the morning Fox and Friends, just so I can look up a girl's crotch and watch some pro-wrestling level debate, a cheap thrill if you will.

Would Walter Cronkite be a part of this crap? Not.

Reaching CY....Reaching.......(shaking my head and smiling)

Posted by: Johnny at October 13, 2006 06:23 PM

What you have is a young girl looking for attention so she took some bar room bragging and turned it into a story. If things work out she will have a nice two/three year vacation break at the brig in Ks. Lying in sworn statements will get you free transport and everything.

Posted by: Scrapiron at October 13, 2006 08:37 PM

What's so sad about the fact that he didn't get counseled? Oh, I forgot, you're a chickenhawk who doesnt know the first thing about soldiering. A counseling statement is the precursor to a punishment. You must be counseled by your superiors prior to a punishment as either a warning or a notification that you are facing an Article 15.

Good belittling of a female sergeant, too. You're an asshole.

Posted by: Ron at October 14, 2006 12:07 AM

CY:

When I think of the detainees in Guantanamo, I'm put in mind of those who were held in Abu Ghraib--not because of the torture allegations, although that does cross my mind. I'm thinking of the hundreds of innocents who were let out in mass releases after the Abu Ghraib abuses were publicized. These dudes, apparently, had done nothing; they'd been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or they'd been turned in for a bounty or whatever.

How many of those held in Guantanamo are in the same boat? Even if it is, as the Right calls it, "Club Gitmo," these dudes are being held with no hope of release ever, and it's possible that they are not, in fact, "enemy combatants" or whatever other term the Administration wants to make up to describe them.

Are we to believe the Administration's claim that they are all bad guys? Why? Because of their impeccable track record for honesty and thoroughness in these situations? That brings us full circle back to Abu Ghraib. Some of those guys were bad, but many were merely hapless.

The whole thing bothers me. I want to keep the bad guys behind bars, but I want to see the innocents go home. I'd rather not see anyone tortured, and let's start with the guys we have in custody. It's safe to say that none of them are the proverbial "ticking time bombs."

Posted by: Doc Washboard at October 14, 2006 09:02 AM

Enough of the Chicken hawk BS, Ron. Following typical chickenhawk logic then only the 700000 people, the number of soldiers that have gone through RFI, are allowed to have an opinion on Iraq. Its a stupid argument and the reason democrats were stuck with the dud Kerry...he supposedly had 'gotcha' points on Bush's service.

I was a First Sergeant on Abu Ghraib. The detainee population consisted of criminals, terrorists, people that were in the wrong place, people faking it for US medical care, and witnesses. That's right, witnesses. Its Legal under Iraqi law to detain witnesses to keep them from disappearing.

Next, they are called detainees because they haven't been proven guilty yet and are awaiting trial. They had satellite TV, plasma screens, surround sound, plenty of food, and excellent medical care. Tough life.

Had anyone committed those offenses we would have gone straight past counseling statements and to legal punishment. I have a good friend that was a guard at Gitmo and he indicates that nothing like that happened while he was there...not even after a poop throwing incident.

Thats my two cents. If you have never been to Abu or Gitmo, you are not allowed to have an opinion on what happens there, according to Ron.

Posted by: y7 at October 14, 2006 11:06 AM

Gitmo has got to be the most watched, talked about, investigated prison in the world. What about the thousands and thousands of people languishing in prisons in places like Yemen, does anyone ever even think about them? Is their fate of no import?

Posted by: Terrye at October 18, 2006 06:18 AM