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March 20, 2007

Haditha Photo Seems to Question Wuterich's Memory

I missed the 60 Minutes interview of Marine Frank Wuterich that Allah discussed on Hot Air yesterday, and therefore can't dispute nor affirm the Neil Boortz claim that the interview was, "one of the most outrageous displays of media bias ever."

What I will comment on briefly, however, is the screen capture Allah was able to grab of a photo showing the bodies of the five Iraqis that Wuterich said he suspected of planting the IED, and then shot as they were running away.

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The picture is grainy and not of great quality, and I don't have the detail I would generally like to have, but I'll make an observation all the same:

I don't think these men were running, from anyone.

The bodies are closely clustered together within steps of the car in which they were traveling. A person standing still, if shot with a killing wound or multiple wounds, often falls in place. They may get up and move locations, but based upon what I interpret as pooled blood in the admittedly sub-par photo, I don't think that occurred.

It is highly unlikely, if this men had decided to run, that:

  • they would have taken off in unison;
  • that Wuterich would have been able to react, fire, and fatally hit five running men within feet of the vehicle.
  • that they would have fallen in unison if on the move when shot.

It isn't impossible that this occurred, but I think it is very unlikely.

Now, we don't know if the bodies of the men have been touched. I think that if they had been moved (dragged) that blood trails would have been in evidence, even in a picture with quality this poor. I think that if they have been touched, they might have been rolled over to see if they were still alive, but I don't think they would have been turned to face the opposite direction.

In general, I'd expect someone shot during the first few steps while attempting to flee (which would almost have to be the case if the Wuterich account can be correlated in any way to the photo) would fall headfirst in the direction that momentum would take them. I'd also find it unlikely that a person taking just a few steps would generate enough momentum to somersault.

All that said, look at the orientation of the bodies in the photo.

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Two bodies (labeled 1 and 2) are oriented clearly with their heads generally toward the car, which makes it doubtful they could have been moving away from the vehicle, at least at any speed approaching a run. The body closest to the camera, labeled 3, is roughly in the position you might expect of someone standing still when shot, then falling backward. The black box I drew, merely for illustrative purposes, gives a very rough idea of where the shots appear to have come from, based upon a number of guestimates, factoring in the position of the white car, and the object in the top right that would have likely screened these men from view of anyone much further back down the road.

The photo, bad as it may be, seems to validate the Dela Cruz version of events, and based upon Dela Cruz's own description of what he did to one of the bodies, might even explain why the stain near the head of the body labeled 2 appears to be lighter in color than the other dark stains around the bodies in the photo.

This, of course, does nothing to establish the guilt or innocence of Wuterich, nor any of the other Marines. It does nothing to establish a state of mind, nor a motive.

What is does suggest, at the very least, is that Wuterich does not recall events as the photo seems to suggest they took place.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at March 20, 2007 02:39 PM
Comments

Well, I read Boortz's article. I'm disgusted by his offhand dismissal of the deaths of women and children as an acceptable byproduct of war. If we're going in, as the current rationalization of the war goes, to make life better for Iraqis, then it seems counterproductive to kill them in the process.

Also: did anyone see this photo of the Bush speech? If we're sticking with the meme of the Associated (with terrorists) Press as being the publicity arm of Al Qaeda, what is the hidden significance of this composition?

Posted by: Doc Washboard at March 20, 2007 06:13 PM

The guy should never have gone on television.
There is to much room for manipulation.
I do not know what the truth is.

I do know that early on there appeared to be serious questions as to the veracity of the claims being made and of the Iraqis making those claims. One example is that there were no reports of the "atrocities" at meetings of the military and Haditha beaurocracy.

I would also suggest that this just another instance of so-called conservatives or pro-military civillians running scared at the instant the merest possibility of guilt appears.

If what I heard about these marines being locked in solitary confinement and given short rations for months before being charged is true, then there is something seriously wrong with the military justice system.

If I had any influence I would spend my time looking for some high profile law firm willing to provide pro-bono representation to these men.

Posted by: David at March 21, 2007 08:20 AM

It is fairly clear to me that the bodies represent the fact that the individuals tried to run. If you assume that the firing came from your black box, then the bodies are all moving away from that area and the car. Granted they did not get far. As to the orientation of their faces and heads, when one is shot they spin, convulse and are often moved to check for life or weapons. So that argument is meaningless.
As to women and children being killed, that is too bad but I would assume them to be enemy combatants untill proven otherwise. If you don't like them being killed, don't send in the weapons.

Posted by: David Caskey at March 21, 2007 11:09 AM

I'm not familiar, with the whole story here but your analysis seems flawed. Reiterating Caskey's point about the position of the bodies being meaningless; that there's some sort of science to how a body moves in response to trauma is a myth left over from "JFK."

Second, how long does it take for someone to open the door of a car and start to run? A couple of seconds? What if you're in the middle seat and someone is trying to run ahead of you? Another second?

Do you know how many rounds I can fire from an assault rifle in those seconds? Certainly enough to kill 5 men clustered together. Depending on angles and such, they might even be hit by the same bullets.

Posted by: Dawnfire82 at March 21, 2007 02:48 PM

As to women and children being killed, that is too bad but I would assume them to be enemy combatants untill proven otherwise. If you don't like them being killed, don't send in the weapons.

I stand in awe of your callousness.

Posted by: Arbotreeist at March 21, 2007 05:59 PM

Where's the Green Helmet Guy I wonder....

Posted by: Macker at March 21, 2007 09:41 PM