Bob, does it sound like OBL is a Kos Kid? Wonder which blogs he visits?

Why is it a shame that I correctly identified all three as anti-American?

Heh...

He sure plays to the left in this episode. He even gives a hat tip to Rosie by citing the mythical 650,000 dead Iraqis.

Ha Ha! Osama proves, yet again, that he just doesn't understand his enemies. A terrorist supposed to provoke terror in his enemies, not mirth.

I bet that a lot of Democrats aren't laughing, however.

No, no, it's Olbermann! And we have PROOF !!!

Sorta.

:-)

http://www.exurbanleague.com

"NO NO NO!!! This video was to be released NEXT year, not this year you turbaned moron. You have to stop smoking that fine Afghan hashish once in a while...."

Karl Rove

How stupid can you people get?
Although in reality it isn't brilliant, some of you might think so if you actually sat and thought about what Bin Laden is trying to do (or at least thinks he's doing).
He knows, of course, that whatever he proposes will be anathema to anyone serious in America.
The current "strategy" pursued by the right wing inflames anti-American sentiment the world round and steeply drives up recruiting numbers for various Islamist terrorist organizations, among which can be counted, yes, Al Qaida.
Thus, by falsely proposing one thing, he thinks he can safely count on Americans to do the other.
The longer the war in Iraq and the more Republican policies are carried out, the more terrorism. It's that simple.

how diabolial, David. By supporting the party of appeasment and retreat, OBL is really saying please keep killing and capturing us so he can continue to recruit. So OBL really doesn't want the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe he really does want us to topple Assad and the mad mullahs of Iran, too!

In related news, OBL's support for radical Imans in Pakistan and related assasination attempts on Mubarak really mean that AQ wants Mubarak to remain in power so terrorist recruiting will continue to flourish.

Now if OBL could just get away from those pesky Predator drones...

As all clear thinking people know al Qaeda and other islamonazis could care less about our foreign policy. They have one goal which they state at every opportunity. A worldwide caliphate. Intellectual nitwits like David have such a vicious hatred of our country that it blinds them to the simple truth.

David, go get your dictionary and look up the word caliphate. Maybe, just maybe you'll learn something.

I think bin Laden might have a point. If only to end the war, I'm willing to convert to Islam if you guys are.

Also:

It seems that the chemical found at the UN was not phosgene. Don't you think that a public apology is in order from everyone who posted something on the assumption that it was phosgene?

David, please change your name. You are a living insult to Davids everywhere (including me).

Did Hitler go on the air and dare the Allies to keep advancing towards Berlin? Did Mussolini encourage the Allies to march through Italy? Did Hirohito tell the Allies to keep on taking islands on their way to Japan?

OBL broadcast what he did specifically to give talking points to lefties without the will or capability to consider what is happening rationally.

He is doing this because we are winning. We have Al Qaeda in Iraq on the run, denying them safe havens in some instances mere hours after they set up shop. OBL himself doesn't dare come out into the open for more than a few minutes at a time for fear that a Predator will spot him and a cruise missile will be on its way to his latest cave within minutes. His attempted terror attacks are being thwarted long before they ever come to fruition... in fact, it's been some time since a successful attack occurred outside the Middle East.

If (and I postulate this only for sake of discussion, not because I am accepting it is true) we are helping him recruit, he's clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel with the new recruits he is getting, to judge from their effectiveness. But what do you expect when his forces consider blowing themselves up to be a measure of success? Not a lot of chance to pass along wisdom to the next recruit there, ya know?

Also, there is the point that if (and, again, I am postulating this only for the sake of discussion, not because I believe it) the war helps his recruiting, what the blazes do you think our retreating would do to his recruiting? He could claim, with some justification, that he had chased both superpowers away--the Soviets from Afghanistan and America from Iraq. Since people naturally want to be on the winning side, many more would flock to his banner.

Yes, David, please change your name. Harry, as in Harry Reid; or Al, as in Al Gore are good names. But please, don't sully the honorable name of David anymore.

Sounds like a Kos Kid, but that Osama doesn't blame Boosh so much for 9-11, but rather wants credit for it himself.

Kind of interesting that OBL has one more fact correct than the Kos Kidlets.

Did Hitler go on the air and dare the Allies to keep advancing towards Berlin? Did Mussolini encourage the Allies to march through Italy? Did Hirohito tell the Allies to keep on taking islands on their way to Japan?

Did Bush tell the terrorists to "bring it on?"

Oh, wait; he did. And they done brung it.

So you guys are now using Osama Bin Laden to make your political arguments. Classy.

Nunaim, was Bush's comment prior to or subsequent to the 9/11 attacks? Or do you even know?

omg, I thought David was being funny. David, please don't tell me that you are that dumb! How do you walk and breathe at the same time.

Do I infer from that misunderstanding that numaim's offer for complete surrender was not a joke either?

Having the dubious pleasure of debating nunaim in the past, I'd say that he/she/it would be willing to do anything to avoid armed conflict, including praying five times a day facing Mecca.

Nunaim, was Bush's comment prior to or subsequent to the 9/11 attacks?

Doesn't matter in any way.

Having the dubious pleasure of debating nunaim in the past, I'd say that he/she/it would be willing to do anything to avoid armed conflict, including praying five times a day facing Mecca.

For "debating" insert "being pwned by." Also: you reveal yet again that you can't be bothered to actually read the posts in any given thread where you deign to comment. Break a sweat, will you, and keep up with what people have written, all right?

I think that whole video was scripted by Adam Gadahn, that Californian turned Muslim Jihadist that has made videos in the past, like the one released last year at this time. The words are that of a former Lefty American; when was the real ObL a Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorist?

Nunaim, did you or did you not say that you were willing to convert to Islam to end the war?

And Bush said "Bring it on" after and only after the Islamoterrorists had already hit us.

Or do you believe that somehow BushCheneyHalliburtonHitler had something to do with 9/11?

maybe nunaim thinks that Bush made them 'really mad' by telling AQ to bring it on. Otherwise, AQ would not have fought so hard in Iraq and around the world.

It is not often I get to use the word puerile, but it certainly applies to nunaim's comments in this thread.

Please, please, please change your name. This is so embarrassing.

Nunaim, did you or did you not say that you were willing to convert to Islam to end the war?

Whatever it takes to end the madness.

And Bush said "Bring it on" after and only after the Islamoterrorists had already hit us.

But before thousands of our troops died in the GWOT, right? I'm certainly not saying that these guys died because he said that, but it was an astoundingly idiotic thing to say, and one that can only look even more idiotic in hindsight.

Nunaim, it was after thousands of our innocent civilians had already died at the hands of these people.

And if you're not saying that it caused loss of life, what the devil is your point? Are you just disagreeing to be disagreeable? Or are you trying to make the very point you're claiming that you're not trying to make?

ok, I get it. nunaim isn't even a follower of Gandhi's satyagraha version of non-violence. In that version, adherents willingly face violence and death rather than change their righteous position. Even Gandhi thought that it was better to fight for the right thing than to hide behind satyagraha, if someone only adopted satyagraha because they were cowardly.

Rather, nunaim is just simply a poltroon--someone who will give up anything and everything just to avoid violence. A person without any concept of honor, duty, sacrifice. A person who would condemn their countrymen to slavery, tyranny, torture, and death because of their cowardice and fear.

Nice! There have been many tyrants who just LOVE people like you over the past few thousand years.

So nunaim, go ahead and convert to Islam. We still live in a free country where you can convert to any silly-ass religion you choose, unlike the kind of countries where Islam is dominant. And maybe someday when you are next pressured into being an accessory to an act of war against this country (once a coward, always a coward), I will get the pure joy of either seeing you tried and punished or just simply punished.

C-C-G,

Nunaim's point was that Bush said "bring it on" when he meant the opposite, so UBL could be saying the opposite that he means as well.

But that is convoluted thinking (presumably typical for him). Bush (at the time) meant what he said because he presumed that the Iraqis and US Marines would easily murder al-Qaedalings. He did not bank on the wide support of al-Qaeda and the scum insurgency among the Sunni Arabs.

Bush meant what he said. The Democrat leadership, the Kos Kids, and UBL also meant what they have said...they want America to lose.

If my wholehearted conversion to another religion will save lives, it's the very least I can do. I encourage you to follow my example--"encourage" in the original meaning of the word: I want to give you the courage to make this sacrifice if it is an act that will protect us from bin Laden. He says that he won't attack us again if we convert.

Is the hole really that deep? Yikes. Say hi to the rabbit for me.

absolutely unbelievable, nunaim.

And after you convert, while I most emphatically will not, and Islamic fanatics still target everyone with violence because I and others will not join this cult, what will you do next? Help them to find us and convert us? And if we still refuse to convert? Will you help them to hold us down while we are beheaded?

Is nothing in your universe inviolable? Are you that frightened to die?

If my wholehearted conversion to another religion will save lives, it's the very least I can do. I encourage you to follow my example--"encourage" in the original meaning of the word: I want to give you the courage to make this sacrifice if it is an act that will protect us from bin Laden. He says that he won't attack us again if we convert.

Posted by nunaim at September 8, 2007 03:04 PM

nunaim, call your doctor, not enough blood is making it to your brain.

If you convert to the form of Islam that Bin Laden practices, you will be at the Taliban/Iranian level of sharia. Under this level, many people have been killed for violating their laws. Men, women, and children.

These people weren't killed because they were Americans. They weren't killed because they were implementing American foreign policy. They weren't killed because they were westerners. They weren't killed because they were Christians.

Bin Laden and his followers will kill even their own people if it suits their pursuit of power and control. This is well documented and occurs and has occurred with absolutely no American involvement.

Really, make an appointment.

nunaim

If OBL and others next demanded we send our Jewish countrymen to their camps, would you "en-courage" us to make that sacrifice too?

If my wholehearted conversion to another religion will save lives, it's the very least I can do.

I wish I could believe you aren't serious. However, after reading your comments on CY the last couple of weeks, I have to take you at your word. You are truly unhinged and mentally unstable.

But, no one is keeping you from converting. Suggest you make a pilgrimmage to Wizirhistan and attend an al Qaeda training camp. Then return to the United States to spread the word. You can only be a true convert if you embrace jihad.

All that will give the FBI a reason to keep an eye on you. And you desperately need someone to keep an eye on you. Before you hurt yourself or someone else.

Sheesh, I run to the store for fixin's for dinner (beef and pork... Hindus and Muslims beware), and you guys have all the fun with nunaim the cat toy without me.

-just kidding-

Let's see, David (and shame on you for bringing disgrace to a great name):

How many of those "Republican policies" that you blame for terrorism were in place in 11/4/79?

How many in 10/23/83?

How many in 6/25/96?

How about 11/7/85?

How about 10/12/00?

Do you even KNOW what happened on 2/26/93?

And, of course, 9/11/01?

Historical illiteracy: the hallmark of the (anti)American Left.

Nunaim is absolutely right, though. If we had converted to National Socialism in '39, think of how many young Americans wouldn't have had to die fighting for nations that could never know democracy and who never could create honest, strong governments.

And if we had followed his well-meaning advice and gone Communist in '46, just think of how many wars we wouldn't have to have fought!

Of course, as an unintended benefit, we would've had the pleasure of seeing 'mental defectives' like nunaim rounded up and sent "somewhere safe"... but I'm sure nunaim woudn't object to that necessary Revolutionary sacrifice.

I think we should stop picking on nunaim. She is clearly someone whose emotions/compassion far outweigh her cognitive processes. The emotions are laudable, but the dissonance with reality probably causes her a great deal of pain. But because she cannot deal with the obvious conclusions of her emotional opinions, our hammering on her probably is even more painful than we realize. It is, to agree with CCG, too much like the casual cruelty of a cat playing with a mouse.

nunaim, I apologize for being quite so harsh with you. I do not wish to see you punished. But you really should get some help before you do something harmful in the real world.

Iconoclast, I must respectfully disagree.

For someone with nunaim's obvious political leanings to come to a conservative blog is one thing.

For them to comment once or perhaps even twice is another thing.

But for them to not only comment repeatedly but claim to be "pwning" the debates is something else entirely.

In short, they are asking for it, in spades. And I feel no guilt about giving it to them. Nunaim can stop the pain at any time, by leaving.

CCG

ok, but I am done with her. Not only is it too much like shooting sitting ducks, but I feel a little dirty afterward too. Kind of like I was beating up a smaller kid or a cripple. Yuckkk.

pwning through total loss--interesting approach,

I think I'm going to get a prayer rug...just in case the democrats take him up on his offer.

And if we had followed his well-meaning advice and gone Communist in '46, just think of how many wars we wouldn't have to have fought!

Yes! Just think! And on top of it all, we would each give according to our ability and receive according to our needs. Boy, that would suck!

So, nunaim, can we take up a collection to get you a one-way ticket to that Communist haven, China (and no, I don't mean Hong Kong)?

Or perhaps you'd prefer living with the Dear Leader in North Korea?

Or, perhaps you'd rather stay here and leave the joys of Communism for "others," you know, the "little people."

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is far worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has NO CHANCE of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

nunaim... seriously, you've been "pwned" several times over already. remember that the next time you come to comment here.

the quote was John Stuart Mill btw.

Ask the Jews of Khaybar and Yathrib about the solicitousness of Islam for the Jews; no wait
there are none; Yathrib is what we used to call Medina

K-Det, if you're ever in the northwestern USA, I'd be honored to shake your hand for bringing up that quote.

I havent been around as long as you guys but I think nunaim is pulling your collective leg.

Well, here's what blows my mind: whenever I've said something eminently reasonable, either as nunaim or as my retired username--for example, "I've never seen an episode of Olbermann" or "I've actually never read a Kos thread" or even "the only Michael Moore film I've ever seen was Roger and Me, and that was twenty-some years ago"--I get accused of lying.

Of lying.

About watching Olbermann.

On the other hand, if I make up something nutty, like "I'm going to convert to Islam because bin Laden told me to," you guys lap it up like a bowl full of cream.

It is indeed something to ponder.

either as nunaim or as my retired username

Oh, you admit to sock-puppeting?

So long, nunaim, It's been fun, but not in the way you might think.

Oh, you admit to sock-puppeting?

I reckon it's not sock-puppeting if I stopped using the other name a long while back.

That's up to CY, now, isn't it?

CCG, I really hurt your feelings with my revelation, didn't I? The idea that I'd convert to Islam must have seemed made to order for your brand of ranting. Your shrill response carries with it the stink of, "Geez, I look like a fool, and now I need to lash out at someone to take attention away from myself."

CY can probably tell from ISP records who I am, how long I've been coming here, and what my old handle used to be. If he bans me, then that's what he does. I'd rather he didn't, since there are a couple of reasonable folks here who are worth interacting with, but I'm guessing I'd survive.

nunaim, if you think that anything that happens here affects my emotions at all--with the possible exception of my sense of humor--you're not even one tenth as bright as you think you are.

And it's not "ISP records." That's anti-Patriot-Act talk. What CY can see are your IP address records. ISP = Internet Service Provider, like AOL. IP = Internet Protocol, which includes the numeric address every computer online gets, among lots of other things.

Don't try to use terms if you don't know what you mean. You make yourself look even more ill-informed, and you certainly need no assistance in that area.

And it's not "ISP records." That's anti-Patriot-Act talk. What CY can see are your IP address records.

Whatever. I stand corrected. You clearly got my point, though.

Also: thanks for the assist. I'll try to get it right next time it comes up.

"So OBL really doesn't want the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe he really does want us to topple Assad and the mad mullahs of Iran, too!"

No, of course he bleeding doesn't.

What, did you think that the 911 attacks were supposed to make the US back away saying "Don't hurt us again mr Bin Laden"? Honestly?

I don't assign evil genius status to the man but he isn't a complete idiot. Of course he knew that the US would go after AFghanistan. I imagine that he hoped that Afghanistan would chew up the US army like it chewed up the Russians and the Brits before them. Unfortunately for him the US fought a brilliant war in Afghanistan, barely touching the country except through proxies and by some good old fashioned support for the bastards we liked over the ones we didn't.

Then the US went and invaded Iraq and he must have thought all his dreams came true.

As of now he wins either way you see, if you quit Iraq then he gets to crow about defeating the invaders (when what really happened was that the native insurgency defeated the invaders), if you stay he gets to play the great warrior and get more idiot recruits.

Get this, and log it somewhere. Bin Laden doesn't have an army, he doesn't have nukes, he doesn't have a navy, air force or even much in the way of committed followers. What he has are some poorly training but dedicated special ops forces, a PR strategy and a brand. When you hear him speak you are listening to a speech written to provoke reactions that he hopes will work to achieve his goals.

So, if OBL releases a tape that mirrors Daily Kos talking points (Though I never once saw anyone on Daily Kos suggest that democracy was a bad thing) then before reacting ask youself "How would I be expected to react to this?" and "Why would that help OBL?)

Remember that OBL considers Americans to be largely intellectually lazy, ignorant boors, so he probably assume that you'll react to this by, on the left, ignoring it and on the right saying "Look, OBL is on the side of the lefties! I told you they were traitors!". Now, why would he want to provoke this reaction? Because his goals are best served by a polarised and mutually antagonistic US populace who react according to their own brand loyalties rather than acting in their national best interest.

Just try that one thing, ask "What does OBL think that he is achieving by saying this?"

Oh yeah forgot to comment on this:

"What does OBL think that he is achieving by saying this?"

What he wants. He wants to divide the nation into squabbling instead of unifying to defeat him and his forces. I just find it interesting which side he chooses to parrot.

Also, don't call Al Qaeda and those types "stupid." They are far from it. Uneducated losers? Sure but they are not stupid. Applying stupidity to your enemies is usually your last mistake.

Rafar, I would challenge you on one point: prove, please, that Iraq is being used as a successful recruiting tool. Note, not that OBL is trying to use it as one, but that it is succeeding, gathering more recruits to his cause. I don't believe you can do it, any more than any of the innumerable lefties who have claimed that can prove it.

Let us look at what is currently happening in Iraq: the tribes, both Sunni and Shia, are arming themselves against al Qaeda, as a response to their massive and, quite honestly, stupid brutality towards the people they should be trying to enlist. As for foreign fighters coming in to Iraq, the lack of safe havens, thanks to General Petraeus, is making that harder and harder. If the new foreign recruits have no place to live and build their bombs, they're useless, and Petraeus is doing a very good job of denying them that.

Finally, even if your assertion was provable and correct (and I throw this in just for the sake of the argument, and not because I believe it), look at the sorts of recruits he is getting. Bunglers. The Glasgow Airport, Fort Dix, and the latest foiled German plot bear witness to the fact that these new recruits are about as good at planning as Elmer Fudd. If these are the kind of new recruits the Iraq war is driving to al Qaeda, I say let him have them. Those types of recruits help us far more than they do him.

"I just find it interesting which side he chooses to parrot."

Why, do you think it would make more sense if he were to parrot lines like "We should double gitmo" or "We should bomb Iran"? In fact, this can be easily turned around. If you assume that OBL is smart enough to know that anything he supports is instantly made less popular in the US (Which is pretty much the case) then his 2004 endorsement of Kerry has to be taken as meaning that he actually wanted Bush to win, which would imply that the side he parrots is the one that he is more concerned with diminishing.

To put it more simply, if OBL supports something in a public statement you can be sure that he wants that something to be less popular in the US.

Now, why would OBL want antiwar leftists less popular in the US?

"Also, don't call Al Qaeda and those types "stupid.""

Erm. I didn't;

"I don't assign evil genius status to the man but he isn't a complete idiot."

The implication being that he was a man of normal intelligence, and only someone of significantly lower than average intelligence would take anything he says at face value.

"Note, not that OBL is trying to use it as one, but that it is succeeding, gathering more recruits to his cause. "

Everytime you get "Christian oppressors slaughtering Muslims" or the "Nations of the West commiting atrocities" it is a recruiting tool.

As to whether he is succeeding, I have no idea, obviously, not having access to the Al-Q membership roster. Still, you could look at the 2007 NIE. I assume that they have access to some data...

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20070717_release.pdf

"Of note, we assess that al-Qa’ida
will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of al-Qa’ida in Iraq (AQI), its
most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack
the Homeland. In addition, we assess that its association with AQI helps al-Qa’ida to
energize the broader Sunni extremist community, raise resources, and to recruit and
indoctrinate operatives, including for Homeland attacks."

But I generally consider intelligence estimates to be pretty worthless so I wouldn't be offended if you do too.

"I don't believe you can do it, any more than any of the innumerable lefties who have claimed that can prove it."

Hey, I'm just parroting your intel services, ask them why they came to their conclusions.

"Note, not that OBL is trying to use it as one, but that it is succeeding, gathering more recruits to his cause."

And as for this, I think that OBL is pursuing a pointless and failed strategy. Yes, he has managed to give the US enough rope to get involved in a really stupid war in Iraq, yes he has successfully made Americans feel what it might be like to be bombed, but generally his strategy is very short on the long term. What has succeeded has only done so because some people in the US were itching for an excuse to make the stupid steps that they did.

This is of course the funny thing about real Islamic hardliners (particularly the Wahhabis) whenever they actually try to get their movement going it falls apart because it is based on complete crap. Look at the history of OBLs predecessors, failed clowns to a man.

If you assume that OBL is smart enough to know that anything he supports is instantly made less popular in the US (Which is pretty much the case) then his 2004 endorsement of Kerry has to be taken as meaning that he actually wanted Bush to win, which would imply that the side he parrots is the one that he is more concerned with diminishing.

What makes OBL think that we do the exact opposite of what he says? Do you think that if Kerry would have been elected OBL would have been mollified into complacency? Please.
If you assume that OBL is smart enough to know that anything he supports is instantly made less popular in the US (Which is pretty much the case) then his 2004 endorsement of Kerry has to be taken as meaning that he actually wanted Bush to win, which would imply that the side he parrots is the one that he is more concerned with diminishing.

Sorry I accidently hit "Post."

O rly?

he gets to play the great warrior and get more idiot recruits.

The implication being that he was a man of normal intelligence, and only someone of significantly lower than average intelligence would take anything he says at face value.

I don't think he really believes all of the global warming mumbo jumbo but I do think he's courting the side he feels would be more receptive to him.

We made it a policy not to take OBL at his word before 9/11 and 3000 Americans paid the ultimate price for that folly. When he says he wants to create a worldwide Caliphate, should we not believe him? What makes you any more qualified than the rest of us to posit what OBL really meant. Maybe you should keep accusations of sub-level intelligence holstered for a bit.

"What makes OBL think that we do the exact opposite of what he says?"

I don't. I said;

"If you assume that OBL is smart enough to know that anything he supports is instantly made less popular in the US"

OBLs support makes a position less popular. It doesn't mean that you do the opposite of what he says, but it makes it less popular, both inherently and by giving ammunition to those who oppose that position.

What, you think that he thought that he was helping Kerry?

"Do you think that if Kerry would have been elected OBL would have been mollified into complacency? Please."

No, that is pretty much the opposite of what I suggested. Not that I think that Kerry would have done anything much different, but it may have increased the chances of the US taking a wiser road to dealing with the world. This is a bad thing from OBLs POV.

"I don't think he really believes all of the global warming mumbo jumbo but I do think he's courting the side he feels would be more receptive to him."

He isn't courting any Americans, why would he? No American (Well, maybe a few nutjobs, but nothing over a few thousand) is going to be on his side. He is hated and reviled by almost everyone. The most extreme position taken to OBL in any visible way in the US is that he doesn't exist, not that he is an ally.

Do you think that he believes that a few kind words will mean that the American people will forgive him for 911? How dim do you think that he is?

He is never going to be mollified because his desires are unrealistic and impossible. The US public is never going to come round to his POV because, well, (1) He is the most hated public figure in living memory and (2) he wants you all to convert to Islam which is obviously absurd.

"We made it a policy not to take OBL at his word before 9/11 and 3000 Americans paid the ultimate price for that folly. When he says he wants to create a worldwide Caliphate, should we not believe him?"

No you didn't. You made it policy to find him and kill him. He kept funding ops against you and saying that he was going to do it again.

Yes, he wants a worldwide caliphate, which is why I say that his long term goals are a bit fuzzy (and laughable).

It isn't that silly game where one brother will always lie and the other will always tell the truth. OBL will lie and manipulate when it suits him to and will tell the truth when it suits him to.

"What makes you any more qualified than the rest of us to posit what OBL really meant."

I don't claim to be.

I'm starting from the assumption that the speech was a carefully written piece of psy-ops propeganda by a man with an effective PR team. If you're not starting from that position then you're not looking at it sensibly. The question is simply "Why write that speech? What effects are you expecting to produce?"

"Maybe you should keep accusations of sub-level intelligence holstered for a bit."

What accusations of sub-intelligence? I don't think that any of the players in this are of sub-par intelligence.

Unless you mean the "Stupid steps" comment, in which case that is a case of intelligent people doing very stupid things because of their misguided assumptions, not because of their inherent stupidity.

Ultimately this is pretty simple;

1) Do you think that OBL supporting something is more likely to make Americans support that position or reject it?

2) Do you think that OBL knows this.

I would say that the obvious answer to these is;

1) It is more likely to make them reject it.

2) Yes.

Dave,(neo-con Dave, not lib Dave) isn't it possible he's playing to the right, by aligning himself with the left's positions he gives credence to the right.

Capitalist infidel, are you really afraid of the possibility of a global calliphate? Don't see Halloween, you'll have nightmares for months.

The Glasgow Airport, Fort Dix, and the latest foiled German plot bear witness to the fact that these new recruits are about as good at planning as Elmer Fudd. If these are the kind of new recruits the Iraq war is driving to al Qaeda, I say let him have them. Those types of recruits help us far more than they do him.

This just in: CCG applauds continued terror attacks; claims that they help his cause.

nunaim, thanks for proving that you can take quotes out of context.

More evidence for my diagnosis of trollism, advanced.