Here comes the beginning of that pivot on Iraq ..

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday, in a major speech on patriotism, criticized MoveOn.org for referring to Gen. David Petraeus as General Betray Us last year.

Next, we should expect him to say that ... "while he opposed it from the beginning, we now have to deal with the situation as it exists."

After the "FISA" sellout, how long before the "netroots" are in full revolt ?

That's not even funny. It's a crime. Would you laugh just as much if he was the third vice-chair of the Durham County *Republican* Party?

Wait, we're not allowed to laugh at crimes anymore? Huh?

Tales about Obama beign the anti Christ are just that. Puts the idea that Democrats are leading this nation to hell some credence

Throw Satan under the bus!!

Durham has had so many political scandals over the last 5 or so years-- I'm actually relieved that this didn't involve an elected official.

Forget the criticism: Democrats have a lot to be proud about from this news. Unlike pansy Republicans who get into trouble for tapping feet in airport bathroom stalls and texting pages (OMG - men texting men!), Democrats go all the way with devil worship, chains, imprisonment, rape, blood and gore.

It's like Bush vs. Obama on the topic of substance abuse... the Bush got a ton of crap for drinking too much scotch. Wow, talk about non-unique. You just know Obama was the man, snorting coke and smoking crack at a pace to make a $25 hooker blush.

And that's what Americans want in a leader. Not some whitebread old flubby-cheeks ninny like McCain who might have gone 26 in a 25 zone ten decades ago and parks in the handicap stall without his tag at the country club, but someone who's walked the walk.

hey redherkey...take Code Pink bottom and go troll somewhere else....geez...

I'll call your obscure South Carolinian democrats and raise you a Mark Foley, Jim Gibbons, Larry Craig, Vic Kohring, Bob Allen, etc., etc.

Let's just be honest. Most politicians have something wrong with them. It's a bipartisan issue...

Lots of practicing Satanists on that list, Juan. Lots of people accused of kidnapping.

Moral equivocation, anyone?

And does it come as any surprise that a good little Liberal would attempt to whip out a tu quoque and attempt to draw a false parallel?
'Sure, OUR guys are accused of violent felonies and Satanic worship... but YOUR guy sent an email to a page! THEY'RE JUST THE SAME!!!'

Obama's gonna need a lift kit for that bus to make more room under there.

@DaveP.

I trying to make the point that all politicians are screwed up — that there's something screwed up with politicians regardless of partisanship.

And personally, I think it's more than a little ironic that you'll drop a the tu quoque argument in the comment section of a post that's very clearly an association fallacy. But dropping logical fallacy arguments on comment boards is pretty much the lamest thing you can do on the internet. And yes, for the record, that's an ad homminem attack. Sue me.

Obama is a South Park episode in real life that just keeps on getting better.

"I trying to make the point that all politicians are screwed up — that there's something screwed up with politicians regardless of partisanship."

No, Juan. What you're trying to do is minimuize the horrible things people in your party are exposed as doing, by pointless and logically fallacious references to unrelated things others are doing. And you're doing it purely out of partisanship. (well, maybe ignorance... but I figured that was assumed.)

"So what? They ALL do it!" is no excuse, in a court of law or in real life. Yet, whenever a member of your political cult acts up in public, morally retarded toadies appear in public to make that very same arguement so quickly the sonic boom shatters windows.

So, Juan- let's hear some more about how forcible restraint and assault is morally comparable to tapping a guy's foot in a men's room... according to your lights.

Good point, DaveP.

I was taught in elementary school that "but everyone else was doing it too!" is not a valid defense. A teacher asked me if everyone else was jumping off a cliff, if I would do it as well. That cured me of that particular excuse in a big hurry.

and this news just after Obama says he supports giving more 'Faith Based Groups' money.

Is this his idea of a "faith based group"?

Juan Manuel de Rosas at July 1, 2008 11:33 AM sez:
"But dropping logical fallacy arguments on comment boards is pretty much the lamest thing you can do on the internet."

Nope. The lamest thing would be spelling flames. See below.

"And yes, for the record, that's an ad homminem attack."

Ad Hominem isn't spelled like that. This proves you're a dork, if not a friend of satanist kidnappers.

Do I get a hat trick for that?