Why can't real debates be this entertaining?

"I'm like Windows Vista." Buggy and full of crapware? You have a point.

Bwahahaha! Great job, Bob.

Pretty good - missing many of Obama's "um's" and "ah"s" when he is off the teleprompter, though.

Pretty funny. Must have taken a lot of work and a whole lot more thought. Although I might have thought twice before potraying McCain in a computer scenario, since he admitted he's still learning how to log onto a computer.

By the way, what was McCain's answer to his Iraq-Pakistan border flub? Or is that the point: he doesn't have one, but it's really OK because it happened yesterday and he's already completely forgotten yesterday morning? :-)

You mean someone actually reported on McCain???? Stop the presses!!!!

G.W. Bush is literally a monkey! :-\

That was funny. It reminds of stuff that www.thenoseonyourface.com does occasionally. They had one about the first presidential conversation between BHO and Iranian wackjob Ahmahdinejad. Here is the link: http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/page/5/
Scroll about a third down the page.

By the way, what was McCain's answer to his Iraq-Pakistan border flub?

I'll give you the same answer you gave about Obama's 57 state flub.

McCain made an error.

Case now closed.

Hold the presses!

"Israel is a strong friend of Israel's." -- Barack Obama.

You see, whenever McCain makes a flub, you can count on Obama to go one better. However, I believe St. Barack is running far ahead in the flub race at the moment.

It's not just a race to see who can avoid flubs.

If you're concerned about Obama not realizing that Israel is, of course, a friend of Israel, then sound an alarm. If you're really worried that Obama doesn't know how many states are in the U.S., alert the media.

If you're not sure whether or not McCain can tell the differences between the Shias and the Sunnis, you got a right to be very concerned. If you're not sure that McCain realizes fully well that it isn't the Iraq-Pakistan border that's a ssrious problem, but the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, you got a right to be concerned.

The kind of flub Obama tends to make seems to be the same kind of flub that McCain made in not keeping the Green Bay Packers straight from the Pittsburgh Steelers. "No harm, no foul."

When McCain is running on his vast experience in foreign affairs, and he consistently has problems keeping the players straight, it's an issue. How serious th eiissue us depends on each individual voter's perceptions.

>If you're not sure whether or not McCain can tell the differences between the Shias and the Sunnis, you got a right to be very concerned.

Are you referring to his statement that Iran was/is supporting AQ and other sunni groups in Iraq?

He was correct. Iran was.

>If you're not sure that McCain realizes fully well that it isn't the Iraq-Pakistan border that's a ssrious problem, but the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, you got a right to be concerned.

This answers itself. If anyone really thinks that McCain doesn't fully realize the borders then that person is an idiot.

diogenes--

Yeah right! Obama and his weak-kneed legions will march valiantly into Waziristan and capture Osama and his Egyptian deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri tomorrow without a shot being fired with the sitting war criminals at the UN saying nothing. One has to question whether the Obamessiah has ever heard of the Curzon Line, international law, and just a few other fundamental things like that. Given his past speeches, he has shown that his knowledge of history and international relations is less than acceptable

Question to you, diogenes, if the Pakistan ISI-controlled Taliban can make arbitrary incursions into Afghanistan, why can't we make incursions into the so-called "ungovernable" western provinces, dominated by war criminals, which the Pakistanis and their western apologists call Waziristan? By the way, have you taken a good look at a map of that area, especially the western part and that place called Baluchistan, recently? Why do I get the feeling that people like you can't think, spell, and come up for air when required, much less vote intelligently during elections?

OK, guys, you are all the experts. There was no film clip of Lieberman desperately trying to correct McCain's flub on the Shia-Sunni issue.

Mescalero? I don't have the specific knowledge you seem to about the Pakistani border. I'll freely admit that. But I would point out: (1) I'm not running for President, and (2) I sincerely doubt that McCain knows much more about it, either.

I'm sorry -- McCain's making too many flubs on foreign affairs for me to believe that he's capable of keeping this stuff straight in his mind anymore. Sure, if you sat him down and walked him through it all, I'm pretty sure you could get him to give correct answers most, if not all, of the time. But a President needs to be sharper than that.

As I had said before, elsewhere on this blog I believe, I would have voted for McCain in 2000. Not in 2008, though. He's lost more than a atep.

Just one person's opinion. You don't (and won't) agree with me, and that's fine. That's what makes a horse race.

BTW, I'm watching Hannity and Colmes right now, and it's sad to hear the new "slogan" that McCain took out for a test run today. Obama would rather lose a war than lose a campaign?

I thought McCain wasn't going to go negative?

I thought McCain wouldn't question Obama's patriotism?

Sounds like desperate times call for desperate measures, eh? Sounds like McCain will abandon at least some of his principles in a vain attempt, it seems, to grab a headline.

In order to get published in the NYSlimes all McCain had to do was sent the following:

I agree 100% with Obambi's article.
John McCain (R)

Instant front page center.

DIogenes, Since when is telling the truth going negative? And he did for the first time in the campaign tell the 100% truth about Obambi.

diogenes--

It takes all I have to keep me from unloading on the uniformed, so-called Republicans for Obama like yourself (by the way, I don't believe you are a Republican). Tell me, diogenes, how many muslim Americans do you really know? From what you have posted, that answer has to be close to zeeeero!

Do you really believe that Sunni and Shia muslims are unable to cooperate with each other? If you believe this unbelievable crap, say so and I will refer you to numerous volumes that should convince you and, hopefully, the unconvinceable likes of yourself and the likes of Arthur Ochs "Stalinist pimp" Sulzberger, jr.. However, given the real world, which you and your like do not inhabit, I won't hold my breath. So much for John McCain's gaffs, which are trivial compared to yours as well the Obamassiah's. By the way, do you, and your uninformed likes understand that there is a very specific geographical difference between Israel and Jordan????? Your messiah doesn't think so. Get off the McCain gaffs, diogenes, Obama's gaffs (we in the real world call them distortions) are far worse, but we can't count on the brain-dead MSM to cover those criminal acts against the American electorate.

Excellent, very well done. Made my day.

I only wish I could hear something like that live.

I'm not excited with all that Senator Mccain promotes, but
by G-d we need a crusty tough SOB right now, and you
won't find many tougher than John McCain.

He's honest, he's damn tough, he knows the face of evil,
and he will not back down, or sell out his principles or his
country. He has been tested, tried and found true. He is
trusted, admired and feared by friend and enemy alike, as
our Commander in Chief should be. G-d Bless him
and protect him.

I'm honored to vote for him, and thankful for the opportunity.

Thank you for your work, Confederate Yankee.

Best regards, Peter Warner.

Never said Shia and Sunni couldn't cooperate. But the "sectarian violence" is largely based on those two sects -- and you can throw in the Kurds (yes, I know, they're not a scet of Islam) for good measure. There's no doubt that Shia and Sunni will have to cooperate, if democracy is to last in Iraq.

Don't care if you don't believe I'm a registered Republican and voted for every Republican presidential candidate from 1976 up to 2004.

Don't care even more for the overly gung ho, testosterone laced diatribes here. I know I'm greatly outnumbered, but jeez.... If you believe for a second that ANY true American would like our country to lose a war -- which would obviously result in further loss of American (and Iraqi) lives -- well, all I can do is shake my head in disappointment. I don't doubt McCain's motives for a minute, nor do I doubt the character he showed forty years ago. But I do question his competence in 2008. Disagree all you want, but the hostility in dealing with anyone who disagrees with you doesn't serve you or your candidate well. That act won't play outside the confines of this little cyberworld you've created here.

So go ahead, unleash the dogs of war once again, and spew your bile. I thank God that there are some guys like you, that we can unleash in wartime, but I also thank God at least as much that we have a system that allows for other viewpoints, and can curb your enthusiasm when needed.

Anerica should have, and does, have room for differing viewpoints. People who don't agree with your views up and down the line are NOT necessarily enemies of the state, no matter how hard you try to portray it that way.

What are you going to do when Obama wins on November 4? Blow a gasket?

Diogenes: You misunderstand; I am not a McCain supporter. I believe he is mediocre at best. However, Obama is worse than a novice. He is totally unprepared for being a senator, let alone assume the office of president.

The issue was verbal flubs, and Obama's are legion. The degree of the slips is immaterial at the moment, as neither Obama or McCain hold the presidency. The fact that so many overlook Obama's errors, flip-flops, and outright lies does not bode well for the future of this nation. Unfortunately, it may require Obama occupying the oval office for the majority of citizens to realize just how much Obama is out of his depth.

"If you believe for a second that ANY true American would like our country to lose a war -- which would obviously result in further loss of American (and Iraqi) lives -- well, all I can do is shake my head in disappointment."

Wow. Are you serious?

The cornerstone of Modern Liberalism is that US Servicemen are the biggest terrorists in the world. And yet you claim that not a single American wants America to lose wars and/or be destroyed? You even used all caps on the word "any".

Here's one.

Columbia professor Nick De Genova called for a million Mogadishus. Yes. He wants 18 million US Servicemen slain. Try to imagine what that would mean. Holocaust ~4million. Rawanda~800k.

And yet he wants 102 million American casualties.

The popular phrase Liberals would use for something like that is "Chickens come home to roost."

Shake your head in disappointment at yourself.

No, brando, I won't. Because I said "ANY true American." I fully realize that in a country of our size, there's bound to be a certain number of people that believe ANYTHING, so I know there are some in this country who would be more than willing to lose this war and kill American kids in the process, just to prove a point. That's why I added the word "true."

I don't consider them "true" Americans.

But I also reject out of hand your jingoistic assessment that "liberals" feel this way. No, most liberals and moderates do NOT feel that way.

It's not an "either/or" situation. I (and millions of other Americans) do NOT have only two options available to us: either completely agree with you and your opinions, or be thrown into a gross overgeneralization that we side with those who would rather lose a war than win a campaign, or make a political point.

That just plays into the Rove mentality: agree with me and all of my ultra-conservative hawk viewpoints OR be labelled a chickenshit Commie dove radical.

America's a great country, with a lot more room for competing ideas than you give it credit for.

So now Nick De Genova isn't actually an American?

Hahahaha. Sure.

You want to play word games on weither or not you personally consider an American citizen a "true" American or "sort of" American. Weak sauce.

You don't get to pick that. INS does.

Don't throw the word Moderates in there, when we're actually talking about these Liberals. And don't insuinuate I'm a Conservative. I'll forgive you for that, just this once, but be sure you've learned your lesson and don't do it again. See, I've absolved you before you repented. Even Jesus doesn't give that deal. :)

"That just plays into the Rove mentality: agree with me... OR be labelled a chickenshit Commie dove radical."

Very well then.

I know you don't agree with me. You've been clear. My position is that the killing of 18 million American Servicemen would be bad. Agree to disagree I suppose. I know I won't change your mind. You really shouldn't have denied that these people exist, but you seem pretty locked in your ways.

As RR would say, "There you go again...."

Here's the two options you offered:

(1) Agree with you, or

(2) Announce I want to see 18 million U.S. servicemen killed. (Although where THAT number comes from, I don't know; I didn't think the surge was THAT big.)

Sorry, but I don't want either option. Nor do most liberals, or moderates, or conservatives. Only the lunatic fringe (on either side of the political spectrum) would advocate what you proposed. That's what I meant by "true" Americans -- the vast majority of us somewhere inside those fringes. I wasn't referring to whether or not they were technically U.S. citizens or not, but thanks for the patronizing attitude.

I got it. You openly disagree with me. Roger that. I won't try to change your mind, because I know it's not possible. I'll just address others.

Just so other folks understand the scope of the horror of what's been advocated, here is something to put it in perspective. Try to imagine it.

9/11 was a horrible, murderous attack which shook our nation. The holocaust would be like 9/11 happening every single day, for over 3 and a half years. Try to comprehend that.

Now what this Columbia University professor advocated would be like 9/11 happening every single day, for almost 77 years.

But don't question their patriotism.

Now what this Columbia University professor advocated would be like 9/11 happening every single day, for almost 16 years.

That's much better.

Oh, wow, we don't get to "question the patriotism" of Obama or any of the other lefties, but now Diogenes is declaring himself the ultimate arbiter of who a "true American" is?

Good God, the arrogance of these lefties.

I guess the difference, C-C-G, is that I don't declare that all of you who disagree with me are traitors to the United States, that you aren't patriotic simply because you don't see things the way I do.

Disagree all you want, launch silly disparaging snarklines all you want, dance around every issue you desperately want to avoid -- but that doesn't make your opponents unpatriotic, except in your own narrow little mind.

It doesn't matter simply that you disagree.

What matters a great deal is the precise nature of the disagreement.

Some of the things that CY and other regular posters say, I disagree with, but that's ok. I understand that folks aren't in lockstep with my opinions.

But generally, they don't think that Che is an awesome guy, they don't pine for the overthrow of our republic, and they don't rejoice when Americans are beheaded. If you think that those values are unique to just this website, then you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I especially get a kick out of your last line. So Prof De Genova is actually patriotic? It's simply that I've labeled him as unpatriotic in my "narrow little mind"?

Really? Like Really? Like for realsies?

I gotta tell ya; that's one of the more unreasonable things I've heard recently. I guess we're just cut from a different cloth.

I'm going to go ahead and be bold on this one, and declare that he is pretty much unpatriotic.

brand, I don't know who peed in your Cheerios, but your comments are completely off the wall.

1. I've never mentioned Che and I wouldn't say that he was "an awesome guy".

2. I don't "pine for the overthrow of our republic" and I've never said anything remotely close to that lie.

3. I really don't "rejoice when Americans are beheaded" and that's stereotypical of your nonsense. I'd get really upset about that assertion, except it ain't worth the effort to get worked up over someone ignorant enough to say something like that.

4. I have no earthly idea who "Prof. Nick De Genova" is. I've never heard of him, other than your comments. I cannot and would not comment upon his patriotism, or lack of same, and I doubt I really would be interested in knowing who he is; if I've gone this long in life without encountering him, I figure it might be an omen. And if he's a guy who thinks #1, 2 and/or 3 are good things, then I'm better off not knowing him.

This is further proof of what we get when we try to demonize everyone who disagrees with us in the least.

Nonsense.

Not everything's about you. Maybe you should reread that.

"If you believe for a second that ANY true American would like our country to lose a war..."

There are plenty.

And apparently there are plenty who rush to their defense.

"I don't know who peed in your Cheerios"

C'mon. Let's not get weird. Let's keep the pee where it belongs. In Denver hippie throwing jars.

Hippies? What decade are you living in , brando? Actually, skip it. It ain't worth discussing.....

You're not sure what decade it is? Heck yeah it's worth discussing. If you literally don't know what decade it is, then it would behoove of you to find out.

Well, I'm here to help. Blogs are fun, because sometimes it gives me an opportunity to teach. The year is 2008. You might even say it's the Ought Decade.

That was my good deed for the day.

About your fixation with urine, I wish you'd knock it off. Peeing in food? C'mon. If you want to discuss these Liberals in Denver that were caught stockpiling jars of urine to throw at the Cops during the upcoming DNC convention, well...

I think it's gross, but that's just me.

Let me guess what your position is. If I think for even one split second that those hippies are anything but pro-American, then you'll throw a temper tantrum and demand that anyone that disagrees with you is ignornat.

Nope. Throwing urine is ignorant. Agree to disagree, I guess.

Hippies disappeared decades ago. As, evidently, did the majority of your brain cells.

Keep painting those who disagree with you on any point you raise as a radical leftist. You may come to realize it someday (although I'm not hopeful) but others will realize that there's all of us, across the political spectrum, and then there's you and a few likeminded souls, little dots on the far right of the spectrum.

Painting?

I'm reading your words, and I'll be sure to quote you later. I've been forgiving and rightious, while you've been crazy and evil. I can only help you if you put forth some effort too. I'm still willing to provide some guidance, but I'm going to need to see a little more honesty and sincerity from you. Redemption is still available.

Dude, you don't even know what decade it is. You have a urine fixation, you believe in omens, and you believe that De Genova is patriotic.

And then you claim that I'm the one who is ignorant and that half of my brain is actually gone.

Awesome.

You might not believe this, but it was good to meet you. You've confirmed a few things about Liberals that I'll be sure to bring up to some of my friends that lean liberal. I'm don't think they will appreciate the way you've been representing them.

That pee tangent you went on still werids me out.

Yuck.

You've lost it, dude.

So, let's get right to the heart of the matter, diogenes. Am I in your "true American" category or not?

I can't wait to see how you spin that one.

Easy: yes. I don't see you as a traitor to your country, which is what I was really trying to say, pretty inarticulately at that point, I will readily admit.

Does that mean I agree with your viewpoints? No, not for the most part. But I don't have any reason to qestion your motives.

Call it "spin" if it makes you happy. I'm just trying to put some deep feelings I have into words. I'm getting sick and tired of jerks who insist I'm less than a full-fledged American just because I won't buy into their particular narrow world view.

Anyone still believe this diogenes person was a die-hard Republican? Strange, isn't it - how every other left winger spewing HopeyChangey boilerplate is a "life long conservative." If these people are going to lie I wish they'd at least be more original.

Thank you, sir. Once again, you've exposed us:

Since you know "the truth", anybody who has a different viewpoint has to be a "liar".

I never said dio-chimp was lying - just that I love how every other liberal commentator is ex-Republican, voted for Reagan, etc etc. If someone added up the numbers I bet all the Republicans from Reagan to Bush II would have won with roughly 125% of the vote.

Oh, and anyone with a different POV from Dio is a KKK member.

Slimeball.