October 15, 2008
A Good Christian Can't Support Obama
I'm sure to ruffle some feathers, but it's undeniably true: Barack Obama is not a Christian and does not have Christian values, and therefore, I find it hard for a good Christian to argue that one can support him for President.
What do you mean he's not a Christian?
First, Barack Obama is not a Muslim. Barack Obama grew up the son of an ultra-liberal anthropologist mother, and while he was registered as a Muslim student in Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, under the name Barry Soetoro, this registration was completed by his stepfather, and does not affect his citizenship or religion.
When Barack Obama found his religion, he found it in Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama was a member of Wright's congregation for more than 20 years.
Trinity, however, is not a Christian church, despite its affiliation with the United Church of Christ.
At Trinity, Rev. Wright taught a "Black Values System" that decried white "middleclassness." If this sounds racist it should; Trinity is a church built upon Black Liberation Theology, not Christianity.
What is Black Liberation Theology?
Black Liberation Theology is not founded in the birth of Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, but in the Afrocentric black nationalism espoused by Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party in the 1960s.
More deeply, liberation theology is Marxism in the guise of faith. A Catholic Cardinal (a man who is now the Pope) wrote unambiguously:
An analysis of the phenomenon of liberation theology reveals that it constitutes a fundamental threat to the faith of the Church.
Black Liberation theology is many things—a racial veil of Marxist liberation theology, a form of racism and racial victimhood masked as salvation—but it is decidedly not Christian.
It worships the concept of "blackness" over the teachings of Jesus Christ, and states that if God is not sufficiently "black" by their selective and murky definition of what makes someone spiritually black, then God must be killed.
No real Christian can accept such obvious heresy as threatening God.
Rather than further delve into the odd particulars of Black Liberation "theology" here, the following collection of links may prove helpful in examining the cult, the role of Obama's church in it, and how this "faith" may have influenced Obama.
The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
Looking at Obama and black liberation theology
Dialogue on Black Theology: An Interview with James Cone
Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
A Closer Look at Black Liberation Theology
Glenn Beck: Black Liberation Theology (with Ken Blackwell)
Does Barack Obama's Religion Matter?
The Religious Cancer of Racism (by James Cone)
'Context,' you say? A guide to the radical theology of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright
All of this establishes that with Black Liberation Theology sociology being his only reference point for religion, Barack Obama is not a Christian—how can he be, when he does not follow a Christian faith, but a false idol of a black Marxist Jesus?
Even apart from his heretical faith of 20 years, several of Barack Obama's political decisions should disqualify him from being the choice of any observant and faithful Christian.
The "least of our brothers"? Barack Obama supports abortion... and infanticide
Barack Obama's rabid support for abortion is well documented, including his infamous pronouncement that if his daughters became pregnant, that he would prefer that the grandchildren he obviously has the resources to take care of be aborted, instead of having his daughters become "punished with a baby."
Even worse than his support for abortion is his shocking opposition to a bill requiring that hospitals provide medical care to infants born alive after failed late-term abortion attempts. This callousness is called by its proper name, infanticide, and certainly a position no Christian can support, flying into the face of all our Biblical teaching to protect the weak and defenseless.
I'm not sure if Obama's faith supports the denial of medical care to infants, but as Christians, our's most certainly does not.
Yes, you can vote for Barack Obama for President, but if you do so, you vote for a man who is not a Christian, and who does not have Christian values.
As Christians, we aren't supposed to be perfect, which is something non-believers and holiday-only attendees don't want to acknowledge as it takes away their favored charge of hypocrisy when we frequently prove our absence of infallibility and divinity.
But now you know what Barack Obama is—and is not—it would seem obvious that supporting a man who professes Christianity but who is demonstrably a cultist, a man who professes Christain values, but them works to suppress the medical care of infants in a move that only the Devil himself could love, is not someone a good Christian can support.
I am not saying that God favors John McCain, nor am I suggesting you vote for him based upon any theological knowledge, as McCain is decidedly a secularly-focused candidate.
But there is simply no way a good Christian can support the heretical cult that so deeply ingrained itself in Obama's mind, nor his bizarre and brutal suppression of care for those among us who are weakest and most in need.
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
Update: Bumped.
I'm about as thoroughly secular as a person can get but all religions are not created equally objectionable as the Mahers and Hitchens of the world would have it. It must be remembered that this jolly secular cornecopia that we see here is the product of a religious foundation that is Christian. Prior to its emergence in the forties and fifties it was unknown to humanity and it appears by all evidence that it will subsume as if it had never existed if a decade or three of amnesia once extinguishes that knowledge.
Posted by: megapotamus at October 15, 2008 11:55 AMDo not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Matthew 7:1-6
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 15, 2008 12:03 PMI will not be voting for Sen. Obama, but not because he is not a Christian. As he sows, so shall he reap, and I'll leave the judgement in God's capable hands.
I'd vote for a Jewish person, a Hindu, a Buddhist, or perhaps even a Muslim, based on his or her actions. Sonorous speeches, punchy sound bytes, and a telegenic face are all very well, but by our works shall we be known, and I have no admiration for the few works that Sen. Obama has let us know about. I'm also concerned about all his works that we don't know about.
In short, I'm a Christian, but I'm not stupid, I'm not racist, I'm not a red-neck, I'm not a bigot, and I'm not voting for Obama.
Posted by: Stoutcat at October 15, 2008 12:49 PMAny place which has a pastor ranting GOD DAMN anyone or anybody can never ever be a house of God. God never damns anyone or anybody.
Posted by: dhan_su at October 15, 2008 04:46 PMMaybe he should have the witches cast out by an African reverend. Would that help?
Posted by: dBa at October 15, 2008 05:05 PMIt's the whole Tenth Commandment - not coveting. Socialism and "Social Justice" is built upon coveting AND redistribution - but it starts with the desire to have your neighbor's car (ass), wife, kitchen appliances, golf scores, job, and station in life.
Posted by: DirtCrashr at October 15, 2008 05:34 PM**Socialism and "Social Justice" is built upon coveting AND redistribution **
I think that is a flawed outlook of socialism !
Socialism thrives on two factors :
Haves and Have-nots
If YOU have it and I don't, I will make sure you DON'T have it anymore, by whatever means necessary
The more the have-nots, the more stability for a marxist regime
Prosperity is the enemy of socialism-marxism
Masses living in fear and poverty fuel communist regimes all over the world. So communists create more poverty to prolong their own survival
On the other hand, Capitalism is about generating WEALTH
And we all know what Obama likes to do with other ppl's wealth
Luther Tines:
Too often "judge not lest ye be judged" is used as a cudgel to silence those who speak out against evil. The problem, however, is that this would mean a passive fatalism when faced with horrors such as the Holocaust or the Cambodian Killing Fields: How can we judge Hitler or Pol Pot? Thankfully, the way out of the conundrum is clear: judge the actions, not the person, and stop/oppose the person if the actions are evil.
Thus, I do not judge the state of Obama's soul, but I will judge the actions he takes (or says he will take). And these I find totally un-Christian in the most fundamental sense. Anyone who espouses the Freedom of Choice Act is supporting the murder to even more innocents, and this no Christian should be able to accept. So I oppose Obama for his actions, and leave it to God to judge Obama when it comes to his salvation.
Posted by: Mike at October 15, 2008 07:08 PMHey, Luther... you might wanna check out the following verses as well as Matthew 7:1-6...
"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa 37:30)
"With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth." (Psa 119:13)
"Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy." (Prov 31:9)
Jesus commended Simon, "Thou hast rightly judged." (Luke 7:43)
"Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations." (Ezek 22:2)
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Cor 2:15)
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (1 Cor 6:2)
"Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" (1 Cor 6:3)
I urge your prayerful consideration of all of the above verses. Perhaps you will come to a deeper understanding of the true meaning of the Matthew passage.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 15, 2008 07:50 PMI've been told that when the devil comes, he'll be quoting scripture.
I see evidence of that here.
Humility is also a Christian value.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 15, 2008 07:57 PMGee, David, does that mean that every Christian preacher in every pulpit across the world is the devil in disguise, because they quote Scripture? Quite the broad brush, hmmm?
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 15, 2008 08:06 PMMethinks thou dost protest too much.
CCG,
That's Shakespeare, not the Bible.
But of course you knew that.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 15, 2008 08:18 PMIndeed, I did know that. Thanks for admitting that I can tell the difference between the Bible and Shakespeare.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 15, 2008 08:34 PMJudge not, eh? Far too many folks misunderstand that scriptural admonition. The Bible is very clear that we must make judgements about the character of others, and several primary ways to do that are through their associations and alliances and through their statements and behavior. To fail to make such judgements renders long term personal survival a rather iffy proposition and makes living a moral life all but impossible. So what does it mean? Don't presume to know the mind of God. Don't presume to judge the depth and degree of the personal relationship of others and God.
As to Mr. Obama, Wright's church was indeed preaching a "gospel" about as far from the good news as is possible to be without any actual Bible in the church bursting into flames from the heat of blasphemy washing over it. Wright did and does preach a racist, black liberation theology that is rooted in black superiority, marxist theory, bizarre and scientifically unsupportable pseudo-anthropology, victimhood and downright, every day hatred. It is not at all unreasonable to argue that anyone espousing or practicing such theology is just about as far separated from mainstream protestant theology as it is possible to be. In that, Obama can easily be considered a highly unconventional Christian, but that might also be a judgement best left to God.
That said, it's certainly reasonable, considering Obama's absolute, two decade long embrace of Wright and his teachings, and his immediate abandonment of same when it became politically inconvenient, to question his sincerity in practicing his faith, and his dedication to it. Is he a believer, or merely using faith as a political tool to be wielded when useful and discarded when a liability.
While Obama has claimed that his middle name--Hussein--would make his diplomacy with muslims easier, he might think again. In Islamic tradition, children don't choose their faith, they are born into it--for life-- and faith is determined by the father, not the mother. Obama was, by sharia and muslim tradition, born a muslim, and his abandoning Islam for any other faith, whether a mainstream version of Christianity or a lunatic, racist aberration like black liberation theology is not a plus, but grounds for his immediate murder as an apostate. In fact, Obama would be even more fit for death--in the minds of traditional muslims, to say nothing of crazed jihadists--than the average infidel.
In any case, little that is known about what Obama has done would be considered to be honorable in light of Christian tradition. His relationship with God? Judge not.
Posted by: Mike at October 15, 2008 11:03 PMMr. Terrenoire! It seems like just yesterday we were saying our goodbyes.
C-C-G: "I urge your prayerful consideration of all of the above verses. Perhaps you will come to a deeper understanding of the true meaning of the Matthew passage."
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged" is not subtle. Your citations do indeed contradict it. Presumably you believe that God placed dinosaur fossils in the ground to test our faith as well. Dollars to donuts you don't believe in carbon dating. You trample science but have zero qualms about enjoying its fruits.
I like your website. I too am a Thomas Paine fan. Here are a couple of my favorites from him:
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
--Thomas Paine
The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun.
--Thomas Paine
You know you hit it right on the head. That is a mainstream take on Barrack Obama. It isn't left or right it is a moderate approach. Moderates are gone in today's media. You should be running CBS not those liberals. I just hope for my sake and yours alike Obama doesn't get elected. Obama is so sketchy you could be a marxist or even a islamic terrorist and I would be afraid of Obama. For a god-fearing WASP like myself Obama is a nightmare.
Well keep up the good work!
Posted by: Red, White, and Blue Patriot at October 16, 2008 01:59 AMOne does not need a belief in God(though it obvioulsy helps those who are conflicted on the matter)to understand that forcing doctors and nurses to do intentional harm by taking no measure to save newborns who survive the blotched abortion, is without question imhuman barbarism.
It's like Medea's barbarism only she is afforded all the legal protection to kill her offspring as justification for her revenge.
Posted by: syn at October 16, 2008 07:00 AMLuther, why don't you do a quick internet search of that Matthew passage and see what leading Christians have to say about its meaning? I am very confident, being a lay preacher myself, and having preached on this very passage (meaning I did a lot of research on it), that you'll find that they agree with me, not you.
Or, you could just go back to KOS. Your friends there miss you.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 16, 2008 08:15 AMOh, Luther, thanks for your kind words regarding the website. However, it's soon to be going down, replaced by a joint project between myself and another frequent commenter here. Stay tuned.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 16, 2008 08:21 AMC-C-G,
"... why don't you do a quick internet search of that Matthew passage and see what leading Christians have to say about its meaning?"
The passage is crystal to me. Those who believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God must of necessity come up with a subtle interpretation in order not to contradict those other parts of the Bible that you quoted.
Jesus was a moralist of the highest order. I've yet to meet anyone who earnestly emulates him. Christians that I've known have no problem with at least some of these: wealth (camels and needles), the Iraq war (love thine enemies), capital punishment (thou shalt not kill), graven images, interest (money changers) etc. When confronted they deny what the Bible flatly states, or say solemnly that they are, sadly, imperfect. It's one thing to strive for perfection, and quite another to feel sanctimonious while not to making the slightest real effort to emulate Christ.
Incidentally, one hears ad nauseum about how the Founding Fathers envisioned a Christian nation. Actually several of them were deists. What's interesting is the before Darwin, there simply was no hypothesis, much less explanation, for the origin of species. Therefore deism was as close to atheism as one could reasonably be at the time.
Obviously you won't change your mind about anything, but maybe it will give you some food for thought.
Best,
Luther
Americans should be VERY disturbed about what has happened this election season.
Barrack Obama has advertisements up that say, "Come join the "movement"!" (Movement? I thought we were electing a president?)
We have a corrupt and biased news media who is furthering the Obama "movement" by hiding all the details of his corrupt and anti-American past.
We have teachers teaching their students to sing songs praising Obama, much like is done in church when people sing praising God.
We have a cult-like mindset across the United States. We have people who follow Obama much like the zealots followed Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Hitler.
We have a presidential candidate who says, "I am the one you have been waiting for" and who designs his OWN presidential seal and now a flag. We have a presidential candidate who doesn't salute our flag and who goes overseas and talks trash about our country. Yet we have people right here in the United States who still want to vote for him.
I find all of this very disturbing. I have done my research and tried to find ONE extraordinary thing that Barrack Obama has done in his lifetime to deserve all this worship and devotion.
Did he ever climb a tree to save a kitten? No. Did he give away all his money to the poor? No. Did he ever travel to a third world country and take along a present or some food for the starving? No.
So now I am asking one of you Obama-bots who are so soaked in the Obama Kool-aid to tell me ONE thing extraordinary that Barrack Obama has done for his fellow man that has earned your devotion.
I am only asking for one.
Feel free to E-Mail me so we can discusws this further.
buds.killer@yahoo.com
Since you've declared that you won't change your mind, further discussion with you is a waste of bandwidth, Luther.
Go back to KOS, please.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 16, 2008 06:59 PMI think you have a wrong perseption of who a Christian is. To be a Christian means to be a follower of Jesus Christ and not be a part of a religion, party or nation or just holding to a set of values and culture. No sir. Here is what Jesus had a in mind when the Christian movement started; (hope you'll read these scriptures) John 3:16,4:13-14,11:26,Acts 2:21,10:43,Rom.10:11-13,1 John2:23,Luke 14:27,7:23,9:37,12:8-10 and so on. Now you will notice the qualification for being a Christian all these scriptures (again l wish you'll read them), it says "whosoever" I think when we get this straight you will discover that there are indeed more Christians than your narrow minded presupposition. Does this qualify Obama, Mccain,Clinton, Republicans, Independents or Democrats as a Christian beacause of the Church they visit? Nope. You have to believe what Jesus believed. If Obama had being a member of Black Theology for 20 years and in 2008 declared that Jesus Christi is his Lord and Savior, let it be said he is a Christian. Heaven agrees with that and angels rejoice at that. See what 1 John 4:2-3 and 4:15.
Now let's talk about you. Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus? Do you know who He is and that He came into this world in the flesh so that your sins may be forgiven and you may start a new relationship with God. I'm not talking about belonging to a Church (it's good though), but about have a meaningful relationship with Him through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. You can go to Church and still end up in hell. Some Pastors, Reverends, Bishops and Popes are going to hell if the only thing they have is Church membersip, titles, being a culture warrior and upholding ethical standards but do not have a relationship with God. God;s demand for being a follower of Jesus is to confess and repent of your sins (Proverbs 28:13) confess and accept Jesus as Lord and personal Savior (Rom.10:9-10) and be determined to live the life God has prescribed (1 Peter 1:15-16). My friend, l want you to accept Christ into your life if you have not genuinely done so. It's as simple as that. Just follow the steps enumerated above, read the scripture and go on youe knees, bow your head in respect to God and pray a simple prayer that will come to your mind. Nothing special, just tell God you are sorry for all the wrong doings-hatred, lying, skander, lack of love, cheating, adultery, fornication or whatever wrong you may be doing and presto, God will change your life.
Let me leave you with this great scripture in 1 John 1:9. It helped me whn l first accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I'll be praying for you l promise. Shalom!
PS
I'm not even an Obama fan.
