October 22, 2008
I'm Joe
That's the theme of this new McCain ad.
Hot Air has the transcript and Ed dubs this the "I am Spartacus" ad, for good reason:
The Spartacus theme resonates on a couple of different levels. First, we have everyone identifying with a beleaguered hero as a way of supporting him, but let’s also recall the circumstances of Spartacus. Spartacus led a rebellion of slaves against the government that oppressed them. Joe the Plumber has led a rebellion against an oppressive governing philosophy that erodes the notion of private property and would make taxpayers into serfs to the lords of Washington DC.That kind of message resonates. People may want services from the federal government, but they don’t want outright redistributionism, where the government transfers cash from those who pay taxes to those who don’t. Barack Obama’s tax plan does just that.
Why should I work hard just so that Barack Obama can tax me more and "spread the wealth around?"
Because it is your patriotic duty.
Now go and put this saddle on your back. Lord Obama is all booted and spurred and is looking for a good ride.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at October 22, 2008 09:21 AM
There never was a horse that couldn't be rode;
Never was a cowboy who couldn't be throwed.
If that's not on tv, why the heck not? EXCELLENT!!
Posted by: cmblake6 at October 22, 2008 03:15 PMWell just how hard are you working now CF ? Are you making more than 250K ? Do you have a real concern that during the next four or 8 years your income might go above that number ? Or is this just a hypothetical like Joe the Plumber ? I for one never play the lottery, just to much risk of jumping into a bad tax placing
Posted by: John Ryan at October 22, 2008 04:07 PMHey, John Ryan... 250K is so last week... even Paul Krugman, in the pages of The New York Times says that people making less than that will be hit with a tax increase:
What about the claim, based on Joe the Plumber’s complaint, that ordinary working Americans would face higher taxes under Mr. Obama? Well, Mr. Obama proposes raising rates on only the top two income tax brackets — and the second-highest bracket for a head of household starts at an income, after deductions, of $182,400 a year.
So, from 250,000 to 182,400, a reduction of 67,600... and that's before the election. How much lower is it gonna go when Obama does like Bill Clinton did and say that he really can't make it work by just taxing those who make over 182,400, so he needs to make it lower.
And that's not even talking about how higher taxes will impact businesses... you know, those evil entities that actually employ people. And we're also not talking about what happens when those millionaires stop buying Cadillacs and yachts and such... what happens to the middle-class people who work making the Cadillacs and yachts?
You cannot, I say again, you cannot encourage prosperity by taking money away from people.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 05:09 PMBy the way, if I may expound a bit on the "spreading the wealth around" bit, may I point out that Joe the Plumber already does that himself?
Joe goes to Joe's Gas Station and spreads some of his wealth there. He goes to Joe's Grocery and spreads some of his wealth there. He goes to Joe's Shoes and spreads some of his wealth there. And so on and so forth.
This is the capitalist system in a nutshell: those that provide a good or service that people want or desire get paid for it.
By the way, if Obama is really dedicated to absolute equality, why doesn't he share some of his campaign funds with McCain, in the name of "fairness"? Let's see Obama spread some of his own wealth around for a change!
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 06:54 PMBut, but, but... Obama needs our money so he can buy enough votes to repeal the 22nd Amendment.
Posted by: OCBill at October 22, 2008 07:16 PMI can't believe that the average "Joe the Plumbers" continue to get suckered in to supporting the republican notion of frictionless wealth. No Taxes on dividends and huge inheritances. Low taxes on high incomes. They have the working middle defending their wealth on the "hope" that they someday will climb through the highly taxed arena of the common man and arrive at the top.
It actually makes economic sense that every dollar a millionaire investor makes is more dependent on the government services our taxes support than the dollars that an average "joe" makes in his neighborhood working locally. Many of the huge costs of government such as regulating the economy and enforcing laws benefit the rich to a greater degree than the middle class. How much would the oil companies have to spend to defend their oil supply lines if the US Military were not there to keep the prices low? How much more money would be lost to greed and corruption if there were no SEC? To me higher taxes on incomes above middle class subsistence make economic sense. It might even be a good deal but it certainly is not socialist thievery. Theivery is getting something for nothing like the huge tax reaks on the rich started by George Bush and continued by John McCain if he gets his way.
Posted by: Terry at October 22, 2008 07:30 PMTerry, quit regurgitating DailyKos talking points and look at the facts.
In 2005 (the latest year I could find data on), the top 10% of earners already pay nearly 55% of the total tax revenues! And that number has been on an upward trend since 2002 when it was "only" a little over 49%. And that's total taxes, if we look only at individual taxes, it's even worse, in 2005 the top 10% paid nearly 73% of the individual tax revenues. And that number has been rising steadily at least since 1979 (the oldest year I can find data for). (Source)
Now, tell me again that "the rich" don't pay enough taxes, and I'll laugh in your face.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 07:44 PMTaxation aside, if you take the current economic problems to be largely caused by the housing mess... and I do, it is your vital patriotic duty not only to NEVER vote for a Democrat but to see the Franks Dodds and Obamas of this world investigated charged and tried. Fannie and Freddie are utterly Democratic creations and operated under fully and totally Democratic control and worse, under redistributionist philosophies. This is 100% and Democrat instigated slump and any socialist will tell you (if being honest) that this is just the result a socialist would want. Why? To discredit the hated Capitalism that stands in the way of their utopia. The Democrats stole BILLIONS for themselves and their constituency RIGHT BEFORE ALL OUR EYES. This is a fact no one can dispute. The reed on which the Dems and the Media hang supposed Republican culpability, on the odd occasion they are held to explain it rather than declare it, is that the Republicans failed to stop the Democrats from filling their pockets and showering their clients with lucre. The time for civility and all that crap is long LONG over. The Democratic Party has proven itself for decades to be nothing more than a criminal conspiracy to defraud the American populace of every penny it can grab. Where is a single fact that points to a single Republican either in office or out that contradicts this?
Posted by: megapotamus at October 23, 2008 12:52 PMJust in case Terry comes back (which I doubt), here are the current tax brackets. I'll summarize:
Single people hit the top two tax brackets at $164,550.
Married people filing jointly hit the top two tax brackets at $200,300.
Married people filing separately hit the top two tax brackets at $100,150.
So if, as is expected, Barack Socialist Obama raises tax rates for the top two brackets, it will hit people making a lot less than $250,000.
Hope and Change, hmmm? You'd better Hope that Barack leaves the Change in your pocket when he takes the paper money out.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 23, 2008 05:17 PM"Now, tell me again that "the rich" don't pay enough taxes, and I'll laugh in your face"
"Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
By the way, this rich man was complaining about NOT paying ENOUGH taxes and thought it was absolutely ludicrous that the top 1% got away with not paying a higher percentage.
I guess this is where I say "IN YOUR FACE" if the situation were not so serious and the right-wing nutjobs that like to pretend that reality is just another Republican talking-point had a damn clue.
Posted by: Wilson at October 26, 2008 02:50 PM