I have been saying the same thing to every on line blog and to every onair personalty I can ever sence they started to report this LIE!!!!
anyone with any comen sence can figer out that you arnt going to pay $1000 + on one simiauto and try to convert it to full auto when for the same money on the black market you can get two cases of full auto and all the ameo you can cary!!

Don't forget the ones that they don't bother to ask the ATF to trace. Like the cartel guns that have numbers that match Mexican property books.

Those .50 cal Barretts they keep showing are the same model down to the BUIS that the Mexican military uses.

That makes so much sense! Why go an hour drive across a desert for your guns when you can get them from the other side of the planet?

They export drugs to distant lands because of the laws of supply and demand, they import American weapons for the exact same reason. They can charge more for the former and pay less for the latter.

Sorry to drop logic, I know it never sits well with you.

They get "arms from the other side of the planet" because you can't get fully-automatic weapons, hand grenades, RPGs, rifle grenades, and grenade launchers from U.S. gun stores, you idiot.

Also, because of supply and demand that you obviously don't understand, you can get fully automatic weapons such AK-47s for less than $50-$100 dollars on the black market in some areas, whereas you will have to pay $900 or more for semi-automatic copies purchased in gun stores here.

You dropped your logic, all right.

Appears to have been broken badly in the fall.

Ah, the obligatory leftie troll has arrived already.

Kid, why would they spend more on a US gun, then risk detection bringing it into Mexico, when they can fly the exact same gun into Mexico cheap on an aircraft also carrying a few hundred kilos of cocaine from Colombia?

And in Colombia there's no waiting times, no need to present papers when buying the thing, so there's no need to pay expensive bribes to people with no criminal record (because in the US their usual contacts can't legally buy a gun because they are known criminals and those can't buy guns legally).

So even of the 17% guns that might come from the US, the majority is likely black market anyway, and stricter laws against victims defending themselves from criminals (which is all that your friends in the anti-gun lobby are after) won't stop them being sold anyway.

Uh-huh

Keen to help, Mr Goddard spent months building a case alleging that George Iknadosian, the owner of a Phoenix gun shop, had knowingly sold some 700 assault weapons to “straw men” working for the narcos. It could have been a landmark case. Mr Iknadosian pleaded not guilty, and last month a state judge threw out all the charges against him on a point of law. Prosecutors blamed a clash between federal and state law on arms smuggling.

Yeah, I know, he was probably the only one.

And there's this little leftover from St. Ronnie Reagen's days of arms dealing not just with the Iranians:

These groups appear to be taking advantage of a robust global black market and porous borders, especially between Mexico and Guatemala. Some of the weapons are left over from the wars that the United States helped fight in Central America, U.S. officials said.

The troll just can't concede the point, can he?

Yes, Iknadosian and a small percentage of other gun dealers have participated in strawman purchases that contribute to some of the guns used by the cartels. Other guns being trafficked are stolen. That's most of the 17-percent.

Another unstated percentage of weapons are the remainders of left-overs Central American campaigns... I can only imagine the kind of condition these overly-sensitive guns are in after decades of jungle humidity and poor maintenance. They're probably good for 1-2 percent of the total, but we'll call it 3 to give us an even 20% overall of cartel guns that in some way touched American hands at some point.

Fine.

That still doesn't change in any way the fact that the Obama Administration and his gun grabbing lackeys in Congress and the media cited a massive lie time and again as a reason to undermine the Constitution--you know, what shrieking liberals claimed Bush did throughout his Presidency.

I'm just looking forward to the day that salvage and his fellow travelers finally realize that Obama has every character flaw that they hated in Bush, but worse.

The sounds of their heads popping from the cognitive dissonance will be deafening.

"Yes, Iknadosian and a small percentage of other gun dealers have participated in strawman purchases that contribute to some of the guns used by the cartels. Other guns being trafficked are stolen. That's most of the 17-percent."

Exactly.

Let us not forget that places like this exist all over the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xf62PKC5M

Why pay top dollar for a semi auto AR when you can pay bottom dollar for an AK, or bottom dollar for an M16 that is thirty years old and has been all over the world?

Logic. Hmm. Here are the facts:

(1) Fully automatic weapons are not available for sale in gun shops, and are so restricted as to be essentially impossible to buy, such transactions taking many months and the intense involvement of local government, the BATFE and the FBI, at minimum.

(2) Other military hardware such as hand grenades, rocket propelled grenades, other explosives and shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles cannot be legally purchased in the USA.

(3) Semiautomatic carbines and rifles that resemble actual military weapons, such as the M-16 family, are very difficult to find and very expensive, retailing for $1200.00 and more due to real concerns by the law abiding about Obama's gun grabbing tendencies and desires. Dealers cannot keep them on the shelves, and most of the time, have none.

(4) Ammunition for such weapons and for common handguns is equally rare and expensive, for the same reason.

Knowing these simple facts, facts that any reporter could discover with five minutes of effort, logic would dictate that no Mexican drug baron would bother with American weapons considering their price, unavailability and the difficulty of smuggling them over the border when they could easily use their criminal contacts and buy honest-to-gosh fully automatic military weapons and explosives at a fraction of the cost, with a fraction of the bother, from a wide variety of very willing, low risk sources.

Of course, the media suffers not only from their built in far left tilt, but a complete lack of understanding of, or interest in, firearm and related issues, as well as a genetic predisposition that prevents them from ever researching anything that might contradict their inbred beliefs.

Are there some weapons in Mexico that originated, in one way or another in America? Surely. However, what applies here applies there: Criminals do not obey the law, any law. Therefore, logic also dictates (as well as innumerable studies, many by anti-gun organizations) that no gun control law, the expired "assault weapon" ban being a case in point, will have any effect on criminals and crime.

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