August 06, 2009

Deranged Pelosi: Healthcare Protestors are "Carrying Swastikas"

Fresh off of orchestrated attempts by the Democratic party and liberal blogs to smear anti-Obamacare protesters as part of a paid-for astroturfing effort (you know, like ACORN and MoveOn), the queen of San Francisco now one-ups herself with claims that those protesters are carrying swastikas to townhall meetings:

Interviewer: Do you think there's legitimate grassroot opposition going on here?

Pelosi: I think they're Astroturf... You be the judge. They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare.

Let this be a warning to you all: too much botox can eventually lead to brain death.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at August 6, 2009 09:02 AM

The media gave her a pass on that CIA lie and they will do the same with this one.

Posted by: Rick at August 6, 2009 09:25 AM

It's how Dems roll, if you disagree with them you are some sort of socialist fascist, err, wait, fascist unable to act in a civilized manner. Her complaints ring hollow when compared with DNC funded activities during the 2004 RNC Convention in NY.

Posted by: Penfold at August 6, 2009 09:28 AM

Wow, Nancy goes all Godwin on us out of the box, that is desparate.

Posted by: Joe at August 6, 2009 10:35 AM

Has anyone actually seen any swastikas at the events? Strange since that was the symbol of National Socialists.

Posted by: Papa Swamp at August 6, 2009 10:42 AM

So, the only people against Obamacare are supposidly either operatives hired by the healthcare lobby, or people who carry swastikas? It is truly amazing how little Democrats think of the American people, and how those same people keep voting for people like Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Chris at August 6, 2009 10:53 AM

Pelosi is an embarassment to the United States. I am still trying to GROK her going to China to convince them of Global Warming. They must think all Americans are idiots.

Posted by: Mister P at August 6, 2009 10:55 AM

What enrages me the most about Commandant Pelosi, is that she and the rest of her possie are not going to have the same healthcare they are trying to impose on us. Of course we are at the point were we need to YELL AND SCREAM!!! They will not listen to us any other way. I wish there would be a town meeting in Miami, because I have a whole bunch of hot-headed Cuban-Americans, who know first hand what ("CHANGE") really means. And if it walks talks and smells like a communist....we know it is a communist!
So come to Miami, and we will for sure give you something to write home about!!

Posted by: Myop at August 6, 2009 11:03 AM

The Democrats have no intellectual argument to counter the protestors. All they can do is practice the "politics of snark." In other words, sneer and jeer and essentially call them names, like children on a playground, hoping that by saying they are stupid and lame, the public will believe it. Eventually this is not going to work any longer, and the Dems will find themselves like the boy who cried wolf: No one will believe anything they say.

Posted by: Sterling at August 6, 2009 11:06 AM

I find the best place to get excellent deals on Nazi regalia and bondage needs is in Nancy's own district.

Unfortunately vintage Nazi stuff is way too expensive for my budget.

Posted by: Joe at August 6, 2009 11:42 AM

Where are the pictures Nancy? You cant tell me that if there were people carrying swastika placards at a town hall meeting that no one took a picture of it. It isnt like we are living in the times of tintypes. I doubt the veracity of Pelosi's allegation for no other reason than if there had been people carrying those signs it would be all over MSNBC and the blogosphere long ago.

Posted by: Mick Kraut at August 6, 2009 11:51 AM

Here is a picture of a protesters carrying swastika:

Posted by: Bri at August 6, 2009 12:18 PM

Nancy Pelosi must be held accountable for her consistent lies,,,,, When will the voters of SF get the Balls to vote her out of office,,,,,


Posted by: joe cassidy at August 6, 2009 12:52 PM

>>When will the voters of SF get the Balls to vote her out of office...

Posted by: Honda at August 6, 2009 01:18 PM

>>When will the voters of SF get the Balls to vote her out of office...

You've never been to SF have you? ;)

I think we need to send Chuck Norris to these townhalls.

I'm quite certain that nobody is going to interfere with his 1st Amendment rights?

Posted by: Honda at August 6, 2009 01:21 PM

It ain't called San Fransicko for nuthin'!
If we continue in the same direction, we'll all be wearing swastikas and jackboots.
Except for the czars and ACORN. I fully expect them to be wearing SS black.

Posted by: Joseph Brown at August 6, 2009 01:24 PM

It was part of the August 1 mob against Rep. Lloyd Dogget, when they chased him outside. When you see the big color poster of Doggett as the Devil at 1:15, look to the left and you'll see a Nazi SS being use to help spell out "Stop Socialism". Now a Nazi SS symbol is not exactly a swastika, but is it different enough that you want to make something of it? If Pelosi makes a correction & says "sorry, I said it was a swastika but really it was a Nazi SS symbol", will that make you feel better?

Posted by: scalefree at August 6, 2009 01:36 PM

One SS symbol in the context of an orchestrated effort to push the U.S. into National Socialism?

Somehow I don't see that as the defining ideology of a grassroots effort opposing the government takeover of healthcare.

And, how is anybody to know if this one sign carrier wasn't a plant?

The solution at this point is pretty clear: Re-elect nobody in 2010, send a message to an out of control congress.

Posted by: Junk Science Skeptic at August 6, 2009 02:39 PM

The link doesnt searching the Houston Chronicle website all they mention is that someone had a poster of Doggett as the devil. Again no picture included so who knows.

If the left wants to make hay out of that then fine, go right ahead. The right has a long way to go in catching up to the hatred and fascistic behavior exhibited by the left from 11/2000 to 1/20/2009. Until the right begins to cast a shadow on the sheer volume of bile churned up by the left I think it would be best for the left to shut up and take their medicine since as you have been telling us for a long time, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - unless of course you didnt ever truly believe that...hmmmm.

Of course the better course would be for the left to admit and realize that these protests are real and genuine and simply listen to what the protesters are saying. It may make for a better solution for everyone, assuming that is what Obama is after...

Posted by: Mick Kraut at August 6, 2009 02:51 PM

Nobody's saying you're literally Nazis, just that using inflammatory symbols like Nazi SS's and hanged effigies of your opponents isn't part of legitimate dialogue. It's meant to make people feel strong emotions that override their ability to think rationally about something.

Posted by: scalefree at August 6, 2009 02:57 PM
The right has a long way to go in catching up to the hatred and fascistic behavior exhibited by the left from 11/2000 to 1/20/2009.

You have no idea what the definition of Fascism is. You should stop using that word until you've done some studying to understand what it actually means.

Posted by: scalefree at August 6, 2009 03:02 PM

"You have no idea what the definition of Fascism is. You should stop using that word until you've done some studying to understand what it actually means."

Oh, I do know and understand, I have actually done some studying too...

"Fascism is a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion. Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism. This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labor."

Whoa that sure sounds like Obama and his flock in many respects doesnt it?

Take some time and read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg.

"using inflammatory symbols like Nazi SS's and hanged effigies of your opponents isn't part of legitimate dialogue."

You mean unless directed at Bush right? Because I dont seem to recall any voices of outrage or disapproval from the left at the numerous pictures, effigies and assassination fantasies ginned up regarding Bush. That was rational behavior? That was legitimate dialogue?

Again, you have a long wait before anything coming from the right comes close to the crap you people dished out for 8 YEARS. Dont sit and try to preach some type of civility argument now, you willing let that genie out of the bottle.

Posted by: Mick Kraut at August 6, 2009 03:42 PM

As a practical matter, this country lacks the ability to address healthcare (and for that matter ANY problem), in a focused, direct, and coordinated fashion. It is also incapable of really planning much of anything of real value, at least not at this point in time. That type of activity does not fit within our governance model.

What you see here is an example of what happens when ANY entity is run by committee. We've known that as a society for a long time.

Our governance model is a “herding cats” governance model, where we let people and the entities they form have the freedom to do most of what they consider to be in their best interests, and we hope that it will also be in society's best interests.

Sometimes that works for us, and other times it doesn't. It will never yield consistency in approach, effort, and results. For us to think so is delusional in nature.

We (as a nation) lack the ability to rally around anything, unless it is perceived as An imminent threat to virtually all of us, and that's not going to happen often. And so we become self-absorbed in thinking about our own personal, close to home minutiae.

There are some positive and negative ramifications associated with ANY alternate approach we might pursue, and the yelling and screaming will always loud and raucous.

As George Will often says, there is the "inertia" which is Washington. There is also the "inertia" which is the U.S. and its constituent parts.

Although this approach has served us well for most of the last 110 years, from a theoretical perspective, one has to wonder how long we can govern ourselves using the "herding cats” governance model, in light of our increase in size and complexity of our citizens.

If the US were run like a business, then every single day, its management team would assess whether its goals are being attained, bust their butts to achieve those goals, ensure that it was getting the maximum value and productivity out of those working for it, and make on the dime changes to most effectively and efficiently reach those goals. In other words, be nimble.

This country is not nimble, and can not be.

I’m not advocating a particular change, either left or right; just the recognition that EVERY governance model has its limitations, and this one is no different. However, for us to think that we can continue to use it and not have negative periods and poor, inappropriate responses to problems, is not reasonable. A country needs to know its limitations.

Posted by: Reggie Greene / The Logistician at August 6, 2009 04:04 PM
Whoa that sure sounds like Obama and his flock in many respects doesnt it?

You're moving the goalposts. Either you're being dishonest with me or you're a sloppy thinker. You said Fascism is something the Left did during the Bush years, not that it's something Obama's done over the last 6 months. Whichever it is, sloppy or dishonest, I won't go chasing after your ever-shifting positions. You need to go back & rewrite your comment so it supports the claim you originally made.

Posted by: scalefree at August 6, 2009 05:06 PM

Nazi sign:

Wrong again as always.

Posted by: salvage at August 7, 2009 08:30 AM

Salvage, you didn't note the words "NO" capitalized above the swastika.

Good grief... how desperate are you to defend Pelosi's obvious hyperbole?

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 7, 2009 09:11 AM

Pelosi's point wasn't that your people are carrying swastikas in a show of support or an attempt to resurrect the Nazi Party. Use of Nazi symbols in any manner is inherently inflammatory, meant to bypass reason, provoke rage and ultimately violence. And yes, it was wrong when it was used by anti-war protesters during the Bush years, and many of us said so at the time. This is why Godwin's Law was invented - if you call your opponents Nazis, you're admitting that even you don't believe in your positions. You call your opponents Nazis, you lose.

Let me say that again. You called your opponents Nazis. You lose.

Posted by: scalefree at August 7, 2009 12:34 PM