I sure am glad I never joined SEANC. They were at my job last month trying to recruit people.I told a buddy of mine that if you work for the state a union will do you no good. NC is a right to work state all they can do is lobby the legislators in Raleigh to try and get you more money or benifits.If they dont want to give to you your not gonna get it. Besides,you cant strike or you'll get fired.FWIW,I never liked unions anyway,waste of time,waste of money.

I'm getting the sense that the union leaderships who are aligning themselves with Obamacare (and the whole Chicago machine in Washington) are undermining their own power. Americans are awake, and they're mad, and they're not going to take it anymore.

It's truly a naive fool who thinks all those "blue shirts" are union. Try FBI and Secret Service.

The other day, I talked to a union guy at a hotel breakfast. He said he thought that the SEIU and such was going back to the mob tactics of the 40's, and while he was a member of another union, he did not support that, and thought it a mistake.

He also said he felt like a lone voice crying in the wind. He was not a fan of Obamacare.

Too bad he hasn't seen this blog.

What gets me is all these union members HAVE health insurance. This really is turning the whole country against unions bigtime. Of course, some of us have been against them for a very long time. The era of unions is a number of decades behind us. My own company of 400,000+ employees has a "union" with no teeth. No one wants it. All it does is impotently monitor layoffs.

I have great health insurance. I won't after I'm resourced out but that doesn't mean I want ObamaCare, God forbid. No one's telling me to take a suicide pill and live to do it again.

As for AARP, I qualified this year to be a member. I'm enjoying sending their SASE mailings back to them with P*SS OFF on them in red! Traitors.

Show me a union that did not destroy its
employers.

Mob tactics of the 40's? Has anyone called in the Teamsters yet? No! If they do, then you'll have a problem. Heck, that will be great entertainment for the whole family.

I agree with Peg...Unions suck! I hated it when unions were strong and the country didn't need bailouts or stimulus packages. I hated the fact that union made products made in the USA preventing retail outlets that offered Canadian Prescriptions, third world sweat shop clothing, Mexican electronics, Chinese merchandise and illegally picked produce and food supplies. You know...WALMARTS! Thank God union dissolving allowed such ethically outstanding retail outlets to operate freely in America while supporting the economy of every other country but ours. I hated how unions prevented us from being able to talk to customer service reps who'll will probably blow up one of our embassies someday. I don't need an English speaking representative.

My Dad was Roofers Union, my Mom was Teachers Union. They made good money and you know where they spent that money? Right here in America and not in freakin India, Singapore or Malaysia. No bailouts! No stimulus packages! We had the strongest economy in the world! Now...we're a freakin joke borrowing money on a daily basis from China and paying them back with an obnoxious trade deficit.

And before you all gang up on me with your predictable rhetoric that the people who think for you have been regurgitating for years, I'm fully aware that NAFTA was a huge factor in destroying unions and subsequently destroying our economy.

And now we have the right-winger, Richard Terry. I believe the Unions can effectively step aside now. It was only a matter of time.

Lipiwitz is either a paid union astroturfing goon and/or your standard racist freak job of the paleocon Pat Buchanan flavor.

There has been a great deal of talk in the media — print, radio, tv — just about everywhere about the behavior and tactics being employed by various organizations. There have been comments about well behaved and polite citizenry attending meetings to voice their opinions. There have been stories of those who haven’t conducted themselves well. I suspect these stories will go on throughout the month of August and perhaps beyond. For one, I hope they do go on well beyond.

I think both sides have taken essentially the same tactics. Labeling each other with invectives, giving their supporters a ‘playbook’, and attempting to use the media to their advantage. All of this is okay. It is okay because in America we have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and freedom of the press. These are rights that thousands have given their lives to protect. The debate on health care which consumes nearly a fifth of the national economy and involves everyone is something that we should openly debate and understand the intended and unintended consequences of before we change an entire system.

It is important to provide better access, bend the cost curve so that health care is affordable (and not just through shifting costs by taxing) as well as sustainable, and improving the quality of the care delivered.

We are a country that leads the world in health care innovation. We have to zealously protect that aspect. No other country in the world is positioned to take our place if we take our eye off this important work.

But above all democracy demands that citizens get involved and voice their opinions. Follow the healthcare debate and other important health care system issues at www.ilovebenefits.wordpress.com

Ronald Reagan was a paleocon you uneducated buffoon.

I'm paid? Where's my freakin' check?!?! Do I have benefits? lol

Glenn Beck lost two more advertisers today: Geico Insurance (gotta love the irony there) and Sargento Cheese. This on top of the three he already lost on Friday: Lawyers.com, Proctor & Gamble and Progressive Insurance (DOUBLE THE IRONY). Taking bets on when Fox fires him. I say within two weeks.

"We were approached by a well dressed man asking if we would be willing to sign a petition in support of the healthcare bill. We declined and the man immediately went to the back of the room and spoke with a blue-shirted man."

Card-check.

I was called a racist freak? You miserable pathetic fool. Don't project yourself and your shallow fear-mongering on me. Am I out there playing fascist using violence inciting symbolism like Nazism? NO! YOU ARE! Carrying signs with swastikas and other gestapo tactic symbols at town hall meetings. Are you the one who painted a swastika on the office of an African American elected official? No! But somebody like you did and of course, you'll fight tooth and nail to defend them.

I suppose labeling (and projecting) people like me a "racist" is supposed to be a pathetic and truly amateur approach at trying to provoke but I got two big numbers for you: 2006 and 2008!!! What that boils down to is this: a majority of America would rather have a black person in the White House than any of you or anything you have to offer. Incredibly funny stuff right there' eh? AWWWWW...TOO SOON?

Call me a racist all you want while I laugh all the way to the bank (love that Obama tax cut)! I don't need to get paid for this. I would feel guilty getting paid for this entertainment.

I sure hope Dipwitz it getting paid a lot for this. I'm guessing he's one of those union hacks who has about 4 union 'jobs' (you know, VP of stuff at the local, Organizer for the other, Administrator of beatings, and so on) that take next to no time and he gets paid full time for all of them plus benefits. This shows that they're desperate and now even the union featherbedders are having to earn their pay by trolling.

Oh, and I love benefits, too, I just objecttopayingforthebenefitsofothers.

So far, Dipwitz is all bluster and no content. Not surprising. One reason ObamaCare is swirling around the toilet bowl is their smug air of superiority as they insist we shut up and admit they're right. Bad case of Delusions of Near-Adequacy, especially in Dipwitz's case.

At home, we'd be calling him "Catfish" as in "all mouth and no brains."

I didn't realize until I read it earlier today that SEANC affiliated with SEIU. They are Local 2008, SEIU.

As a North Carolina taxpayer, I am more than a little fried to hear SEANC complaining about health care and insurance. While a NC state employee may have to pay for his family's and spouse's health insurance, he or she has absolutely free health insurance. They contribute nothing! It gets even better for them. Depending upon when they were hired, they will have free health insurance upon retirement after as little as five years of service. They can whine all they want about pay and furloughs but when it comes to health insurance, they have it made.

Yes Jorgx...I'm desperate. The sad thing is that most of you truly believe all the "blue shirts" are actual union thugs. Eventually one of you are probably going to learn the hard way that they're not all union thugs and that a handful of them are Secret Service.

These town hall meetings are a wonderful opportunity for the DHS to take inventory of those who have the potential to be threats to our national security. I hope they are taking advantage of it.

Record number of death threats to our democratically elected officials

Hanging democratically elected officials in effigy in the same manner as Hezbullah would in the streets of Lebanon.

TV personalities (Beck) enacting the assassination of a democratically elected official by "slipping poison in Pelosi's glass of wine".

Radio personalities inciting his listeners to "bring guns to the town hall meetings".

A dimwit at an Arizona town hall meeting actually dropping his gun on the floor. OOPSIE!

The rampant and over-the-top use of violence inciting symbolism such as Nazi symbols.

Tea party protesters at town hall meetings continuously approaching democratically elected officials in a threatening manner.

The constant invoking of the 2nd amendment as justification for treason and domestic terrorism.

The invoking of anarchy and anarchy inspiring rhetoric (Rise up! Take up Arms! etc) in refusing to accept the democratic electoral process and it's outcome.

Sociopath rhetoric designed to incite fear with such terms as "Death Panels", "Socialism", "Forced Euthanasia" etc.

Today, a member of America's lowest common denominator showed up today at Obama's town hall meeting sporting a gun strapped to his leg. It was within his legal right to have that legally purchased and legally licensed firearm and was allowed to keep it (so much for Obama's gun ban, eh). How can this dimwit feel secure and comfortable knowing that his 10 cent melon never left the cross hairs of a high-powered rifle with a highly skilled finger on the trigger? What a freakin' dolt! One wrong move from him or anybody standing next to him and closed casket funeral time. If he liked his gun so much, bury him with it! How stupid was that?

With people this stupid, unions know there is another "peace-keeping" presence at these town hall meetings. We don't need to be thugs. We don't want to get hit by a bullet meant for you.

Code Pink, Move On, Acorn, Black Panthers, Organizing for America. Lipiwitz = Total Hypocrite

"These town hall meetings are a wonderful opportunity for the DHS to take inventory of those who have the potential to be threats to our national security. I hope they are taking advantage of it."

I hope they're taking advantage of the opportunity to realize how badly they're outnumbered.....

Amen to that. I know a lot of seriously prepared people.

Our local tea party group had a meeting tonight, a planning session, about attending townhalls and peacefully protesting. I'm a big stocky ex Marine and there were a number of very fit men in attendance. We informed our group that we will insure that none of our members, young or old, need to worry about being threatened or harmed.

SDN, TNHunter, Doe...outnumbered by who? The ones who badly lost the past 2 elections are outnumbering who? The ones who a majority of America have rejected them and they're extremist ideology? Outnumbering who exactly? What are you playing, football? Wow...get a few thousand people to have a tea party and suddenly, you're the Roman Empire. You ain't outnumbering squat right now! Gonna rally up some rednecks and take on the Liberal Commander In Chief in charge of the World's most powerful military? Let us know how that works out for ya. Bring beer!

I bet that dimwit who brought his gun to the town hall today thought he was doing some fancy outnumberin' too. Betcha he thought he had some serious clankers. NO! He was a moron and the reason abortion is legal. The dudes standing next to him? Now THEY had some serious clankers! I wouldn't have been standing on the same block as that moron. God knows how many cross hairs he was in at all times and there was probably a predator that had his coordinates as well in case any of his buddies decided to grab the weapon from what was left of his dead carcass. We were seriously outnumbered by that missing rocket scientist huh? You gave us George W. Bush and now you're trying to give us Palin (who makse Bush look like a physics professor). I think we'll be alright.

Lipwitz,

My dad was a truck driver in the 1950's, and a member of the Teamsters Union. He stood up one evening in a meeting very much like the one described here, and disagreed with the leadership's position. A couple of goons took him aside and explained to him that it would be VERY UNHEALTHY for him to keep speaking his mind. The next morning he quit his job, quit the union, and walked away from that entire industry. He spent the rest of his life in non-union career fields, and he made sure his kids did, too.

Jimmy Hoffa may (or may not) be dead, but his spirit lives on.

Unions killed the steel mills, the machine-tool industry, the auto makers, and the airlines (which would all be gone except for multiple bankruptcies). Unions gave us the Rust Belt;
non-union Silicon Valley gave us the Web.

If you were any good at what you do, Lipwitz, you'd be well paid. Only losers and second-raters want a union.

Lipiwitz,

Are you implying that a member of US Secret Service Agent was in attendence and was personally targeting the 10 cent melon of a citizen acting within the current law as it is written? That is pretty serious and I suggest you report what you saw to proper authorities as soon as possible.

Please give us the incidents where anyone has invoked the second amendment and has committed an act of treason or domestic terror at any town hall meeting? Please show us the truth of your statements?

I would have loved standing next to this person the entire time of this meeting so if a person of your caliber had attacked him I could get that on video tape to add to the collection of many others showing the who the real enemies of the state are.

Obama has said one thing and done another every since he took office and now his lies are catching up to him.Its a running joke that everytime he opens his mouth he is lying.America no longer believes him.Say what you mean and mean what you say.

When are people on the left going to realize that the real traitor is in the White House.He took more time to pick out a dog,why cant we have more time for debate for a massive bill costing our country billions of dollars and affecting all of us? Why are unions,who claim to have the poor and oppressed best interests at heart,now,not wanting a bill that cares for all Americans in the best possible way?

Unions say there are for the people. Why should your minority have a bigger say than the rest of the people? Do we not pay taxes just like union members do? Does all men are created equal not mean anything to you?

The statements you have made has shown us independents of what the left is really for and what your style of government is about and many of us dont like it.

Your unions are selling you a false bill of goods that will now cost you what your movement has wanted for some time.

If your leaders had not written such a pathetic bill then most of Amereica would have simply gone along with it.You are upset because they have read it themselves and have not depended on some reporter or talking head to tell them how to think. America is full of people that can think for ourselves when we have the means to get information.

The Internet has allowed citizens for the first time in history to see what the candidates are saying in my townhall and the one 200 miles away a week later. Both the "democrats and republicans" cant lie to us anymore without someone calling them on it. As a union supporter,dont you want to the truth to come out or are only interested in having it your way?

Not to bunch your panties any further,I know the second amendment makes the left mad,but when I am attacked I want to be able to proper protect myself as our forefathers envisioned it. Not like the unarmed black man that was assaulted in St. Louis. Why hasnt the NAACP and the ACLU not come to this mans defense? Was this not a hate crime?

If everyone at that meeting would have been properly carrying a weapon in the open then we all might acted a little better,now wouldnt we.

Very nice slam SamA. Very effective. Please point out to me where I'm not good at what I do? And please give examples. And please, point what my salary is and where I can use improvements. Please use exact figures when discussing my salary.

3dogman...why would I attack him? He's a moron!

And when it comes to the security of POTUS and an idiot who brings a loaded weapon to a function where he is, the US Secret Service is within it's legal rights to take all necessary actions to protect the POTUS. It is not illegal to have this idiot's 10 cent melon within the cross hairs at all times not only to monitor what this dimwit may do but also to monitor to another dimwit grabbed the gun from dimwit A and decided to do something with it.

I don't particularly care what you think. "Why should your minority have a bigger say than the rest of the people?" We're not the minority...you are! Elections matter! Elections have consequences! Your side and your leaders screwed things up horribly and the majority of America threw you out of office. YOU ARE THE MINORITY 3DOGMAN!!! Any questions, please review the elections final results from 2006 and 2008. We can listen to you whine, vent, bitch moan and groan but unfortunately for you, you're no longer part of the decision process because you're leaders screwed things up.

As far as "truth"...you wouldn't know the truth if you got boned by it. There was not much of any truth in your comments so please, your lecture on truth is laughable at best. Ya want truth? Go talk to all the Republicans and Conservatives that got fired in 2006 and 2008.

"report what you saw to the proper authorities then"...you can't be that dumb!

Meet Richard Terry Young:

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090811-NEWS-908119961

>>"Am I out there playing fascist using violence inciting symbolism like Nazism?"

Not since Bush left office, no.

Please point out to me where I'm not good at what I do? And please give examples.

There's one.

Does anyone know whether these union members are even covered by the health bill?

Most union/state employees have self-insured plans that will not be affected by what Congress does.

Looks to me like all they're supporting is more revenue to the gov't and more power to unions.

I have been a member in good standing of two unions in my lifetime. I have also worked jobs as a non union member along side entrenched union members. Unions I have worked along side of in St. Louis, Detroit, New Jersey and California are worthless. The take their time getting started, are early to break, take frequent breaks and are packed up ready to leave 45 minutes before the end of the workday. The could care less about anything but protecting their turf, slacking and then claiming the need to work Sunday's at double time because they're behind. But they have been paying the Piper to the tune of over 300 million over the last few elections. Now they have their hands out looking for the payback. It's pathetic that GM management bent over and let the union break the company.

Lipiwhatever, your inane insistence that "blue shirts" could be FBI or secret service just shows your intellectual laziness. Poking around at www.seanc.org for just a few seconds will reveal that the organization refers to itself with a nickname of "BLUE", sells blue polo shirts and tees with the SEANC logo, and urges members to wear them to protests, as in the article titled "Blue vs. Blue" in the SEANC LATEST NEWS area under the News tab.

A bit of fact-checking will go a long way to cover your a**, dummy. When your first salvo can be shot down this easily, the rest of your posts are a waste of time, even if they HAD a grain of truth buried in them somewhere.

Not that lipiwitz cares about facts, but I would like to address his Glen Beck comments. Glen Beck is being targeted by the cofounder of a left wing pressure group that is fomenting his advertiser boycott.

Van Jones is a founding board member of Color of Change (an extremist racial grievance group). Unfortunately, he is having success, but it's a shame, b/c it's just more liberal extremists lying. The article *with documentation* can be found at newsbusters.org

Again, I realize that certain trolls on here aren't interested in facts.

Here's an interesting point of view in regards to the health care debate:

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/advocacy/health-system-reform.shtml

Surely, most of us have heard of the American Medical Association.

No big surprises in their stance. It is noteworthy that they say: "The status quo is unacceptable."

As for Lipiwitz, he's one of the more informed people who visit this forum. He actually does his research, as evidenced by his posts.

Like me, he's been accused of being a paid shill for one organization or another, as well as being called a host of slanderous names. Those of you who disagree with his positions should be able to defend YOUR positions without resorting to childish name calling. It's not that the name calling actually bothers me (I rather doubt that it bothers Lipiwitz, either. But, I can't speak for him). What it does do is reflect poorly on your ability to articulate your position, whatever it may be, in an effective manner.

Folks like Lipiwitz and myself don't need to be paid to voice our opinions. (But, if anyone wishes to send some money to me for doing so, hey, that's cool, too!)

Quick question for you all. What's the number of the Congressional district in which you live and what is your Congressman's name? Don't cheat and google it to find out. How many know the answer off the top of their head? Let's be honest!

ckdexterhaven: The boycott to which you refer is capitalism working at its best. In a sense it's also a poll. The former sponsors of Glen Beck's show will soon learn if they did or didn't make a wise business decision by dropping their sponsorship. Likewise, companies who continue to sponsor his show will learn if their continued sponsorship is a good investment or not. The free market will decide. People will vote, one way or another, with their money.

Glenn Beck is screwed! 3 more advertisers today.

I'd love to get paid Dude but now that my 401K and Pension accounts are getting back to the balances I had prior to hurricane Bush and combine that with the largest tax cut I've seen in 30 years thanks to Obama, I don't think I need the money anymore. Feels kind of nice doesn't it.

"What it does do is reflect poorly on your ability to articulate your position, whatever it may be, in an effective manner."

Because, y'know, proggies laughing about protesters being beaten up is the height of intellectual rigor.

Oh, and Lip boy does his research? Are unions supposed to be above violence, or something? Just off the top of my head I remember reading about an old man who refused to join his local union despite constant threats. Before long a couple "union brothers" from his plant followed him home at midnight, hid in the bushes near his driveway, and drilled him with a high-powered rifle. And this was the late 80's - early 90's - not at the height of labor unrest in the 1870's-1890's etc. But not to worry - it's all for the "greater good", right? Somehow, bravely gunning down old men in the dead of night will ensure that we're all well paid, and that our jobs don't go to Asia or wherever.

Our thugggish trolls' reaction to such an incident today would probably fall into one of two categories:

1) The scumbag deserved it. Witness how on the other thread they make light of the black protester's beating.

2) It was a "false flag" op by the CIA/FBI to make unions "look bad". In other words, typical progglodyte conspiracy bilge.

Just stop and think of how these apologists are in awe of their Affirmative Action messiah. If 0bama really is the epitome of good and his opponents really are as evil as the libs make them out to be, political violence is not only acceptable but a moral duty.