But when the Democrats do it, it's for your own good, you racist!!! Sorry about that, couldn't resist. Remember: Dissent is Racist!!

Well, see, asking someone to prove they are a citizen is unConstitutional if they are NOT citizens but perfectly OK if they ARE citizens.

That makes sense, right? Isn't that the way it has always been anyway? I mean, no country anywhere has ever required non-citizens within their borders to carry visas or such, and everywhere police stop people just to make sure that if they are citizens they have papers to prove it, yes?

"But you need ID to rent a hotel room!" Maybe. Which is a decision of the hotel, not a legal requirement. Yes, I need ID, by law, to drive a motorized vehicle on public roadways and to purchase alcohol. But I do NOT have to have ID on me to walk to the store and buy a gallon of milk.

Some major distinctions. The proposed national ID would be required to get a job, NOT for the privilege of walking the streets. If you can control employment of illegals, you dry up the immigration.

So no, this is NOT another version of "show us your papers"...except at the time of hiring. The bill states that the card will NOT be used for any purpose other than to verify immigration status.

So you are not deputizing every law enforcement officer in the country as ICE, which ought to take the strain off of local LEO and keep us OUT of police state mode.

Well, I'm a little confused. The Democrats are for a national ID which would basically be a 'right to work' ID which would severely limit illegal immigration because it would dry up the jobs? The DEMOCRATS?

This sounds rather Biblical. I remember reading that you will need a mark to participate in commerce.

Next, the underground economy, using cash, will expand prompting the government to outlaw cash and require you to link your bank account with your national ID card, as a debit card.

Yet, they can't require ID cards to vote...go figure.

Not a Dumocrat thank you, but I wish these morons, and everyone else would remember that since the 1940s it is a FEDERAL LAW that if you are a legal immigrant/resident you have to carry your work visa or green card AT ALL TIMES. So what do the Dumocrats have to say to that... *crickets*

Isn't it disingenuous to equate the Arizona law with this proposal? As anselm notes above, the card can only be asked for when applying for a job, which makes it just a slight step above a Social Security card now, except that Social Security cards can be forged, or you can just give out a number that may or may not be yours.

In fact, the language in the document the Democrats released makes it explicitly clear that no one can be asked for the card UNLESS they are applying for a job:

It would be "unlawful for any person, corporation; organization local, state, or federal law enforcement officer; local or state government; or any other entity to require or even ask an individual cardholder to produce their social security card for any purpose other than electronic verification of employment eligibility and verification of identity for Social Security Administration purposes."

So I guess I answered my own question. Is it disingenuous to link this card with the Arizona law? Yes, it is. Very.

Isn't the Evil Party the ones that threw a hissy fit over asking people to display proof of identification in order to vote?

Just a little MORE hypocrisy from the Left.......

The national ID card is just another way to track everything you do, buy, and possess. Information is knowledge and knowledge is POWER!

How does this apply to you personally? Try guns and healthcare. In the leftist world you are under single payer, you also have to show and have recorded on your card that you own, or purchased a gun and then if you already own one off the books, your ammo buying is recorded. So? Well you will have to at some point apply for healthcare. Here is how it will go. "Well Mr Yankee, I can see you want government health insurance, good choice. Let me have your card. Oh, my.. when I swiped it the records show you own a gun. Now, Mr. Yankee, far be it for me to say you can't. It is your right. HOWEVER, this is tax payer funded insurance and we all know how dangerous guns can be in the home. So yes we can give you insurance you will have to pay an extra premium because of the risk. It would not be fair for the rest of the people to pay for your bad choices, now would it? Of course, if you got rid of that nasty thing we could move right along, couldn't we?"

Resist this. It is also why I had some issues with the Arizona law as it gives the liberals one more reason to argue "Well, if it is good for them, why not all of us?"

The other day I tried to borrow "Rules for Radicals" from the library. The public library, for God's sake!

Some Nazi at the desk asked me for a card.

I suggest that every legal resident of Arizona carry a gun in that state; even the illegals could carry a gun just to stand as a check against over-reaching government officials. They can do that there, can't they.

I - a US Citizen, born and raised in Boston (home of Obama's illegal aunt) was traveling south on I93 in northern New Hampshire about 16 years ago when I was stopped by an INS patrol. The agent asked me where I was born. I told him. He asked me where I lived. I told him. He asked to see my driver's license. I showed him. He thanked me and I was on my way in about 5 minutes. Should I feel violated? Should I have started screaming about my rights being violated - called the ACLU or Al Sharpton? No - I had a valid right to be where I was and I was able to back up my identity with "papers." To tell you the truth, I felt more violated when I went to vote once and was not allowed to because someone else had already done so using my name. They can't ask for an ID - it's against the law! WOW does this country have it's priorities screwed up. I have no problem showing papers proving who I am - I got nothing to hide! I'm here LEGALLY!