June 05, 2010
Turkish Terrorist Autopsies Suggest They Were Shot By Their Own Men
First the spin, then the facts:
Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.
The findings emerged as more survivors gave their accounts of the raids. Ismail Patel, the chairman of Leicester-based pro-Palestinian group Friends of al-Aqsa, who returned to Britain today, told how he witnessed some of the fatal shootings and claimed that Israel had operated a "shoot to kill policy".
He calculated that during the bloodiest part of the assault, Israeli commandos shot one person every minute. One man was fatally shot in the back of the head just two feet in front him and another was shot once between the eyes. He added that as well as the fatally wounded, 48 others were suffering from gunshot wounds and six activists remained missing, suggesting the death toll may increase.
The new information about the manner and intensity of the killings undermines Israel's insistence that its soldiers opened fire only in self defence and in response to attacks by the activists.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Let's get some facts straight, shall we?
Less than a dozen Israeli soldiers armed with paintball guns and sidearms fast-roped to the deck of the Mavi Marmara, where they ran into a buzzsaw of Turkish mercenaries wearing ceramic body armor and armed with metal rods, knives, and yes, firearms. That the lynch mob was armed with guns was confirmed by the ships own captain, who saw them throw overboard as Israeli reinforcements arrived.
Each soldier in the initial boarding party was surrounded upon touch-down, and tackled by groups of Turkish zealots. All told, estimates are that between 60-100 thugs pounced upon the handful of soldiers. Three of the soldiers were severely injured before the last soldier on the helo even hit the deck; two had been shot by the terrorists, and a third soldier had had his head smashed open with a metal rod. Three other soldiers had ben knocked unconscious and dragged below decks in hopes of making them hostages.
A maximum of four soldiers fired killing shots into the lynch mob. We know this because the Israeli Staff Sergeant that was the last soldier on deck killed six of the nine with his sidearm, a Glock pistol. Because of their position, all shots were straight on at close range, into the heads and chests of their charging targets.
But that does not match what we see the Turkish corner's forensics tells us, Indeed he adds quite a bit of new and useful information to the story, that the media can't spin its way out of, no matter how hard they try.
The corner speaks of his mercenary countrymen being shot from behind, in the back and back of the head. Since the Israeli soldiers at this time had been forced back into a single small defensive position as the lynch mob continued to advance with weapons in a frontal rush, this strongly suggests that at least half the rounds that hit Ibrahim Bilgen and Fulkan Dogan were fired by their fellow mercenaries behind them.
The other dead bore similar wounds, with shots to the head from the front (fired by the Israelis) and shots to the back from behind, most likely fired by other terrorists.
We know well from previous encounters in Gaza and Lebanon that Israel's enemies think nothing of killing their own in order to blame the Jews for their deaths.
This is simply the first time that an unwitting coroner on their side has given us medical evidence that those killed died at their countrymen's hands.
>; two had been shot by the terrorists,
I've read nothing about any IDF soldier being shot, can you please provide the link to that information? The link you provided says nothing about them being shot.
Posted by: Fred at June 6, 2010 10:16 AMI haven't heard about any IDF members shot. Of course, our sources of information, by the mainstream media, is limited. If IDF member(s) were shot, I doubt if it will be declassified.
Posted by: OhioRiver at June 6, 2010 10:26 AMThe terrorist-loving leftist media didn't bother to mention that IDF soldiers were shot by the turkish lynch mob, nor that they had guns that the captain saw thrown over the side? Why am I not surprised?
When St.-Sgt. S. fast-roped down from an air force Black Hawk helicopter onto the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship on Monday morning, he did not expect to be landing in what he called “a battlefield” and facing off against a group of “murderous mercenaries.”The 15th and last naval commando from Flotilla 13 (the Shayetet) to rappel down onto the ship from the helicopter, S. said on Thursday that he was immediately attacked by what the IDF has called “the mob of mercenaries” aboard the vessel, just like the soldiers who had boarded just before him.
Looking to his side, he saw three of his commanders lying wounded – one with a gunshot wound to the stomach and another with a gunshot wound to the knee. A third was lying unconscious; his skull was fractured by a devastating blow with a metal bar.
As the next in the chain of command, S., who has been in the Shayetet for three and a half years, immediately took charge.
He pushed the wounded soldiers up against the wall of the upper deck and created a perimeter of soldiers around them to begin treating their wounds, he said. He then arranged his men to form a second perimeter, and pulled out his 9 mm. Glock pistol to stave off the charging attackers and to protect his wounded comrades.
Of course, you will no doubt find the terrorists more credible than the soldiers, but that says far more about you than it does anyone else.
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This is off topic, but...
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Posted by: David at June 6, 2010 11:50 AM
In one important way, whether or not the Hamas/Turkish/jihadist fighters had firearms is unimportant. Knives and clubs in the hands of a violent and prepared gang are just as dangerous. Shooting people attacking you with deadly weapons of any sort is a reasonable response.
It is just a pity more were not shot.
Posted by: iconoclast at June 6, 2010 01:52 PMIsrael has so far suppressed most of the evidence and has only selectively released video footage that paints the flotilla activists in the worst light possible without providing any real context.
It is entirely possible that it was the IDF that fired first and the flotilla activists who were defending themselves.
Posted by: AJB at June 6, 2010 02:31 PMIt's also entirely possible that Iran is just a peace loving country, AJB, but I suspect the odds are about the same for that as they are for the IDF having shot those poor, innocent, re-bar/pipe-welding/linch-minded/gun-toting peace ativists in cold blood, real small.
Posted by: emdfl at June 6, 2010 03:06 PMIt is entirely possible that it was the IDF that fired first and the flotilla activists who were defending themselves. Posted by AJB at June 6, 2010 02:31 PM
By not stopping and diverting to the Israeli port, the ship and its passengers exposed themselves to attack. Watching the video of the IDF commandos be swarmed and beaten as they rappelled down to the ship is more than sufficient evidence to any rational mind that the IDF failed to use sufficient force.
Posted by: iconoclast at June 6, 2010 06:04 PMactually its not possible. its in fact impossible.
the turks wanted a fight.
the other ships were boarded without incident.
the moment the israelis touched the deck of the turk ship they were violently set upon.
the muslims on that boat were violent barbarian goblins who got what they asked for and started the violence.
go ahead give the benefit of the doubt to goblins, but that is like trying to pretend a goblin isnt a goblin, a snake isnt a snake, a hyena isnt a hyena.....
Posted by: rumcrook¾ at June 6, 2010 06:41 PMAJB's just upset that there weren't more dead Jews.
That figures. After watching some of the video I think the Isralis were justified in using deadly force if they indeed did.
Posted by: ron at June 7, 2010 12:41 AMI'm not going to defend this piece but it shows where the other side's head is ...
Mr Elshayyal, a reporter for the Arab channel al-Jazeera, was standing to one side of the ship and had a view of the front and back of the vessel when the fighting started. By his account, soldiers fired down on the protesters from the helicopters before an Israeli soldier had even set foot on the ship. A man next to him was shot through the top of his head, dying instantly.Posted by: Neo at June 7, 2010 10:39 AM
"What I saw were shots being fired from the helicopter above and moments later from below – from the ships," Mr Elshayyal said. "As far as I am concerned, it's a lie to say they only started shooting on deck."
At least two other eyewitnesses saw soldiers firing from above the ships before they landed on the Marmara's deck. It is possible that this is what prompted the fierce resistance to the soldiers when they dropped down. Several passengers recount how organisers urged their peers to stop hitting the soldiers, aware of how it would harm their claim to be peaceful protesters.
The fact of this matter and every other matter dealing with muslims is that they lie. They lie even when it isn't needed. They lie like a kid caught with his hand in the candy jar. It is a fine art with muslims as is the type of confrontation that they put on for us here. They are well used to their friends in the mfm watching their backs. Don't forget the Ap photo that cropped out the knife that one muslim was holding.
Posted by: TimothyJ at June 7, 2010 11:11 AMPosted by Neo at June 7, 2010 10:39 AM
oh my, if you cannot believe al-jazeera who can you believe.
Posted by: iconoclastq at June 7, 2010 05:26 PM
