I'm not a big believer in collective guilt. I mean it's that sort of reasoning that makes American women and children "valid" targets for terrorists who hate what US politicians or soldiers have done in the Mid East.

Yeah, the Bush Admin pushed for elections and Hamas won. That doesn't mean we as a country need to support Israel when they decide to "put Gaza on a diet".

Jim,

What exactly did US soldiers do to the middle east to cause 911, the USS Cole, or the last 50 years of Islamic terrorism?

I'm not asking about the last 8 years, since we already know your answer to that.

You Sir, are a buffoon and a Troll.

Hi Scott, you're awesome!

It can't come as news to you that the 9/11 and Cole etc terrorists cited things like our support of Israel vs the Palestinians and Lebanese, basing non-Muslim soldiers in Saudi Arabia, etc.

Jim

As Obama likes to say, elections have consequences. The consequence of electing genocidal killers like Hamas is that you should lose any support from civilized nations. Too much to ask for the likes of you, I know.

Furthermore, the WTC attackers (both times) had a number of rationales for attacking us. Unless we are willing to let medieval fundamentalists dictate our foreign policy (and domestic policy), then their reasoning is immaterial. Except to cravens, like yourself.

To hell with the quislings. That means you, Jim.

Pointing out the obvious makes one neither a buffoon, troll or anything else. Actions have consequences. You think Iran would have seized our embassy had we not overthrown their president (Mossadegh)and replaced him with our puppet tyrant(The Shah)? Stationing troops in Saudi Arabia in the early 90's was no more tactful than building a mosque on the WTC site either. We need to leave others alone and tend to our own affairs. Remember what George Washington said about entangling alliances...

Jim meet Will; Will meet Jim. Oh I see, you both already know each other from the last "Death to the American-Zionist Imperialists" rally...

Nice to meet you emdfl, you might want to meet our friend General David Petraeus, who recently stated that American support for Israel was harming our national interest and costing American lives. Must be a secret agent of Hamas or deep al-qaeda operative...

Please excuse the double post, but wanted to add something- blockading Gaza and making the lives of a million people miserable just because some of them voted for Hamas is cruel and unjust. It makes about as much sense as imposing a blockade on Louisiana just because a few morons voted for David Duke...

But... The religion of peace reigns in Gaza. Doesn't it?

Peaceful

General David Petraeus, who recently stated that American support for Israel was harming our national interest and costing American lives.

That is yet another media matters lie. Petraeus never said that or even anything near that statement.

And blockading arms and materials from going to the genocidal lunatics in charge of Gaza makes excellent sense. Like all the other idiots upset about the blockade, you conveniently forget that Egypt is blockading as well. troll

Jim, (Will, too)
Gaza on a diet, huh?
So, show me the starving folks in Gaza.
Show me the empty food stalls in the markets.
What?
The markets have plenty and no one is starving? (though he crud running the show steals the best of the goods, but that's neither hear nor there)
Say fellas. . . you two do know that Egypt, who also shares a border with Gaza, is ALSO BLOCKADING GAZA? Well?
Why would that be the case?
The "diet" the Israelis have set up for Gaza is making sure they have a low metals and explosives diet.

oops.
I forgot to remind Will that David Duke lost the governor's election (Vote For The Crook, It's Important! the only time I voted for a Dem)
And the KKK? Democrat organization. Duke is a scam artist and would run as a friken communist if he thought he could get the votes.

Than again. Duke isn't launching rockets into his neighbor's houses for grins either.

Totally Stupid analogy.

lol, it could be very funny if it were not that sad. obama is interested in gas and oil, it seems such things as justice do not attract him much.

"Stationing troops in Saudi Arabia in the early 90's was no more tactful than building a mosque on the WTC site either."

WTF? Are you under the impression that the US unilaterally said "hey, we're going to build some bases in the middle of Saudi Arabia"?

WE. WERE. INVITED.

WTF is up with people who are more familiar with the al'Qaeda mythology than the facts?

Q: "Pardon me; would you have any Grey Poupon?"
A: "But of course!"

Let's review: When the Israeli PM comes to the White House, he is humiliated, abused and denied even a bite to eat. Israel is the only secure democracy in the middle east, is our long time ally, and shares a cultural history with us. If the Palestinians laid down their arms tomorrow there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms, genocide.

When the head of a terrorist pseudo-state comes to the White House, he is treated as an exalted head of state, he shares a photo op/news conference, and our president makes all manner of makey nice noises. Oh yes, and because the situation in Gaza is "not sustainable," he is given 400 million. Palestinian "leaders" commonly steal most of the money we give them; virtually none goes to their people, and much of it is used to buy arms used to attack and murder Israelis and infidels (that's us). Oh yes, the Palestinians have refused two direct, sincere offers of their own state. "Not sustainable" indeed.

Q: "Pardon me; is Barack Obama a marxist fool?)
A: "But of course!"

interesting thread. it is interesting to hear jim and will's thoughts on this subject. interesting, that their view point is not an informed view point mainly feeling.

i remember feeling angry and injustice over everything political when i was on the dark side. now i am on the light's side i see the truth.

be at the polls in november and vote out the democrats.