January 17, 2011
Marcotte The Latest in Long Line of Leftists Pushing Gun Control After Tucson
I really try not to ready anything by Mandy Marcotte if I can help it. Her worldview is generally overshadowed by a pervading anger and her reasoning, such as it is, is warped and generally illogical. Unfortunately, I ran across her latest post in the U.K. Guardian, an appropriate location for an America-hating leftist, as she whined about America's refusal to conform to what she views as sensible gun control.
As usual, the rant quickly broke down into another shrill feminist rant against penises, which according to Marcotte, are now and have always been the bane of human existence. That particular complaint is of course never worth addressing with someone so steeped in illogic, but the following claim was worth destroying:
It's stunningly obvious that if gun laws were even slightly more restrictive – if background checks were more thorough, if semi-automatic weapons were more restricted, if you couldn't buy 30-round magazines – we would have more survivors of this attack today. Or we may have never had an attack at all.
Based upon past experience reading her half-literate rants, when Marcotte claims that something is "stunningly obvious," you can know for a fact that the next comment she utters will be completely incorrect. This is typically because her fixed and intolerant worldview simply makes her incapable of recognizing that much of what she "knows" is a fallacy, or because her powerful prejudices make it impossible for her to see any other side of an issue.
More extensive background checks on handguns, restrictions on semi-automatic firearms, and reduced capacity magazines would not guarantee few casualties when a lone gunman attacks. If anything, historical fact teach us just the opposite.
Gunmen who plot these attacks are unhinged mentally, but they are not stupid, and the tend to plan their attacks with the goal of generating as many fatalities as possible, as efficiently as they can.
Loughner probably chose the Glock 19 after considering a number of factors, including it's relatively compact size, controllability, ubiquity, and affordability. Glocks are among the most common handguns in America, and the Glock 19 one of the most popular variants of the most popular 9x19mm centerfire pistol caliber on the planet. The Glock also has factory-made 30+ round magazines that can be purchased as an aftermarket accessory. These facts are most likely what led Jared Loughner to select the weapon he did.
Marcotte makes the unwarranted assumption that if he did not have access to this kind of weapon, with this capacity magazine, that his rampage could not have been so bloody. This is an opinion based on her particular weakness of incredible ignorance compounded by insufferable arrogance.
Let us presume for the sake of argument that Marcotte and her fellow progressive/socialist/Marxist allies had her way, and laws were in place to keep Jared Loughner from purchasing a semi-automatic handgun or high-capacity magazines, and those laws functioned completely as designed. Let us presume that those laws kept Loughner from purchasing handguns of any kind. What would be the likely outcome?
Rather obviously, it would mean that Loughner would have had to find an alternative weapon with which to carry out his intended goal of assassinating Gabrielle Giffords and as many random bystanders as possible. Loughner's most natural next choice would either be a rifle or shotgun, or constructing a crude bomb.
If he filled the trunk of his aging muscle car with propane canisters and fashioned a crude detonator, he could have emulated the successes of your typical terrorist car-bomber, killing dozens, wounding perhaps hundreds.
But what if he went the "easier" route, and went with the sort of common long arms that even radicals such as Marcotte would be forced to allow, such as bolt-action deer rifles, and 12-gauge pump shotguns?
Well, then you would have a gunman with weapons with much greater range and far greater destructive power per bullet, which was the recipe for disaster that Charles Whitman brought to the bell tower of the University of Texas, Austin in 1963, where he killed 16 and wounded 32 in 1966.
Marcotte doesn't seem to quite grasp the law of unintended consequences, nor does she know enough about the subject matter she has pretended to master to know that when you take away less lethal, shorter range weapons such as pistols, your invariably push would be-shooters towards longer-range, more powerful weapons that keep any would be Samaritans at a much greater distance... or to devices with far more capacity for carnage, such as crude but brutally effective bombs.
Marcotte's British readers know the terror of those devices, with the Tube Bombings killing 52 and wounding roughly 700.
Would-be elites such as Marcotte love to delude themselves into thinking that they are intelligent enough to control their fellow man.
Predictably, they have never been right.
I am British and feel insulted by the remarks above. The killings of 7.7 were a tragedy but were planned by terrorists.
Gun control would restrict lunatics such as Loughner from wreaking such havoc.
Only a fool would belive otherwise
Only a fool would belive otherwise Posted by Ian at January 17, 2011 04:25 PM
Of course, our English cousin is blind to see the havoc wreaked by disarming an entire nation. In the US, private firearms are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year. How many would be injured or killed if we were to be as utterly idiotic as to disarm our entire population.
Loughner acquired a pistol because the local Sheriff did not do their job. Not because law-abiding citizens are allowed to purchase firearms.
Posted by: iconoclast at January 17, 2011 04:57 PMI was shooting in the UK last week. The treatment of sporting arms is pretty rational for a country that is fearful of its citizens. The loss of WW1 and WW2 (sorry, they lost) destroyed their tolerance for risk.
Posted by: mytralman at January 17, 2011 08:50 PMAnd what stopped the belltower assasin and Jared the jackass???
Ordinary_citizens_with_guns...
What a marvelous tool these guns must be-
imagine if twice as many people had them!!!
Doesn't matter how many rounds your mag holds if two armed citizens already shot you halfway through one...
And on the other side of the argument:
It's stunningly obvious that if gun laws were even slightly less restrictive...if semi-automatic weapons were more generally available...we would have more survivors of this attack today. Or we may have never had an attack at all.
Yes, if everyone at the Giffords' event had been armed (with the possible exception of the children), the gunman would have thought twice before opening fire. It's the reason why potential murderers don't choose police stations to go on a rampage.
The gunman (I won't use his name as he is beneath recognition -- and contempt) violated a host of laws to commit his crime. Two or more additional laws would be equally meaningless to someone intent on taking human lives.
"An armed society is a polite society" and the inverse is also unfortunately true: a disarmed society is not a polite society.
Posted by: Frank at January 17, 2011 09:56 PMSorry to be off topic here, but I noticed the Tunisian soldiers in the demonstration footage were using the Steyr-Aug assault rifle. Functionality aside, is there any uglier weapon on the face of the earth? It makes the Sten MK II look like a Beretta shotgun. I challenge anyone to come up with an uglier firearm!
Posted by: Will Butler at January 17, 2011 11:52 PMIan, "gun control" controls only lawful subjects, who are after all sheep. Criminals, who are wolves, are not controlled.
Furthermore, had existing laws been applied to Loughner, he'd never have been able to buy that gun, but his political friends in the Pima County law enforcement community prevented the records that would bar him from the purchase from being available during the background checks.
The London bombings could possibly have been prevented had the London people not been sheep, but been armed and ready to take on the terrorists intent on their destruction.
Loughner would have been stopped sooner had someone had a gun and not been afraid to use it.
Will, the AUG isn't the prettiest of weapons, but it's effective.
Its weather sealing is excellent, which led to its selection by special forces units around the world (and no doubt has something to do with its adoption by the armed forces of a desert nation).
If you want uglier, look at the French Famas.
Personally, I don't care much for looks if something does the job :)
Well, Ian, you are indeed a fool. We have more than enough gun control laws - but they are for naught when creep like the Tuscon shooter are identified early and ignored.
Just like, in fact exactly like, the VT shooter, this creep had been identified as a whacko. Removed from classes 5 times and the always eloquent Pima County sheriff was aware of him making death threats.
Did this prompt the Pima County authorities to take action? Well, one could ask his mother, who works for Pima County and the answer would be no.
So, Ian, keep in mind. We kicked your country men out of our country for a reason. Every time a clueless brit such as yourself mewls piteously, we light a candle to our forefathers and thank them for their wisdom.
Posted by: George at January 18, 2011 08:12 AMGloria: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns?
Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?
Posted by: Sinner at January 19, 2011 11:20 AMStatist lefties like Marcotte want the rest of us disarmed for two reasons: one, the obvious. Too hard to herd independent armed citizens. Two, they know exactly what they would do if they could employ deadly force, and cannot believe that we wouldn't do the same.
The total lack of rootin' tootin' shootin' Tea Parties, blowing away the opposition, does not register. Facts that get in the way of Truth do not exist.
Will Butler: I would nominate the FNH FS2000 (one of which I own, and it's a terrific gun, albeit uglier than a sack of Pelosis).
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at January 20, 2011 10:27 PM