July 25, 2008

When Denied A Chance to Turn Wounded Troops Into A Photo Op, Obama Declined to Meet with Them at All

Why did Barack Obama cancel his visit to see wounded U.S. soldiers yesterday at Landstuhl Medical Center in Ramstein, Germany?

According to the Politico and the Chicago Sun-Times, the Obama campaign is blaming the military, claiming that the Obama campaign was told the visit "would look too political."

But according to MSNBC, Obama and his Senate staff could have visited wounded troops; he simply couldn't bring along his campaign staff and the media.

The campaign's response? They withdrew the request to visit the troops.

The official said "We didn't know why" the request to visit the wounded troops was withdrawn. "He (Obama) was more than welcome. We were all ready for him."

If he can't use them as props, it seems Barack Obama has little use for the military. Come to think if it, that is roughly how they factor into his feckless foreign policy plans as well.

Update: Spin away, fanboy. Greg Sargent tries to cover for Obama, citing what we already knew: that Obama's campaign staff (and the media) was prohibited from visiting the hospital. It's a particularly weak attempt at deception, as it overlooks—purposefully, it seems—that there was precisely nothing stopping Obama from bringing members of his Senate staff with him, or simply visiting the troops himself.

But Sargent also claims that Obama didn't bring his Senate staff with him.


So explain something to me, Obama fans: how can Obama go on his "look at me" tour of American bases with only his campaign staff, and not with any of his Senate staff, and still claim his trips were part of a congressional fact-finding delegation?

If he only brought his campaign staff, and no Senate staff as Sargent claims, then I'd like to know if American taxpayers picked up any of the costs associated with his multi-nation, round-the-world trip, or it was Obama's campaign alone that picked up the bill.

Update: HuffPo contributor Brandon Friedman also tries the dishonest route:

Barack Obama canceled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany yesterday after being told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No problem there.

No problem, of course, except for the fact that flatly isn't what the Pentagon said.

Let's type this slower so that Friedman, Sargent, and the Obamaphiles in the media can follow along:

Obama was never told he could not visit wounded soldiers. In fact, he was told they were prepared for his visit.

What he was told is that he could not bring his campaign staff and the mass media. He had to go as a Senator, not a president candidate.

Once Barack Obama found out he would have to visit wounded American soldiers alone—guarded only by his massive Secret Service and State Department security detail—he balked.

Let's make that a bit more clear:

Barack Obama withdrew his request to visit the troops.

He could have gone, but made the decision not to go on his own, without his campaign entourage.

It's so simply even a journalist could get it right... if they wanted to.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at July 25, 2008 10:30 AM

Here's some more detail for you:

Also, these guys seem pretty happy with Obama.

They might be offended that you consider them nothing more than "campaign props." Is it simply too hard for a right-wing blogger to believe that a lot of these guys actually like Obama?

Posted by: Xanthy at July 25, 2008 11:01 AM

Welcome to your official dismemberment as a viable nominee, Baracky. Only a lib could be so stupid as to choose basketball over wounded troops.

Hear that cackling in the background? Hear those knives being sharpened? Hillary is coming for you, have fun in Denver.

Posted by: Pardo at July 25, 2008 11:03 AM

Yeah, they seem pretty happy, all two dozen of them. Where is the vid of the masses of troops who showed up just to get a glimpse of the Messiah? Doesn't exist? Huh.

And of course even the goof known as Xanthy can see that the vid is from Afghanistan, not Germany, and where the military allowed photographers to be. Why does Obama only want to see troops when the photogs are around?

Posted by: Night Wood at July 25, 2008 11:10 AM

Xanthy, please don't clutter up my site again with crap because you're lazy. The Politico link you dumped was already cited (and debunked) in the main post, and you utterly avoided addressing the key point of this post, that Obama canceled his visit when was told that he couldn't create the exact kind of photo op imagery you provided with your second link.

Why did you even bother showing up?

I don't think anyone finds it surprising that Obama has minority support in the military (in both senses of the term), but it is just that: decidedly minority support. The overwhelming majority of soldiers, current duty or veterans do not support him, but that is not the point either. The point is that he will only "stain his presence" by meeting with servicemen when the cameras are rolling.

As for whether or not the troops wold be offended to find out they are being used as props--please, quit insulting their collective intelligence.

Despite what Jon "stuk in irak" Kerry and many other liberals think, soldiers, by and large, are better educated than the general population. They know that will be used as political props by both sides in events such as this.

It comes with the territory, so save your faux outrage.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 25, 2008 11:26 AM

It just shows you one major flaw Obama has. He is a coward! He is probably afraid of the reception he would get from the soldiers. And if he was worried about it looking like a campaign event. DON'T LET THE PRESS COME WITH YOU!
When will the Obama robots see this phony for what he is? He is nothing but canned speeches about hope and change. He wouldn't know an original idea if jumped up and bit him on the rear. He is afraid to go on Fox News Sunday because they might ask him a tough question. He is afraid to debate McCain in an open town debate. He is afraid to admit the bravery, sacrifice, courage and performance of our troops during the surge is what made it work. And he is afraid to admit he was wrong about the surge all along. He is afraid to do anything that is not carefully scripted.

Posted by: tom at July 25, 2008 11:34 AM

Obama supporters will not turn on him because they believe he is running against Bush, plain and simple(minded).

Posted by: Night Wood at July 25, 2008 11:36 AM

behavior such as this is all one can expect from Obanal.....

G*d help the military if he actually becomes CinC.

(and the rest of us too! %-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 25, 2008 12:03 PM

Seems President Bush gave a speech just prior to Obama's sponsored legislation that would have withdrawn troops before the surge began. Bush gave reference to the turning in Anbar. The Sunni were turning from al Qaeda and need 4000 additional troops for support. Obama lied once again about not knowing about the Anbar uprising.

McCain got it right. It is never improper for a Senator to visit the troops. It is, however improper to use the event for a campaign. Obama made his choice. If it was not useful to his campaign, it was not worth doing.

Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at July 25, 2008 12:05 PM

A real Commander in Chief would have visited those troops. Period.

Posted by: SouthernRoots at July 25, 2008 12:08 PM

When he came through here on Arifjan (two days before his announced tour.. he rolled in on the down low... probably for security) they did a bit of a "Dog and Pony Show" with the newest MRAPS and HMMWVs out here. Not many troops were allowed (besides the brass) and not many contractors were allowed to go near him. The 'cordon' (sp?) around him was high intensity Secret Service and a containment zone was kept around him at all times. Indeed, it was high security that seemed to keep the majority of folks away. If you weren't 'vetted' you weren't getting close... end of story

Posted by: Big Country at July 25, 2008 12:31 PM

He found time to thank the Polizei though

Posted by: Buffoon at July 25, 2008 12:49 PM

Nice catch on Sargent's claim that Senate staff didn't accompany him on the Tour, Ed. I wonder how that might be confirmed, including clarification whether it was for the whole tip or just that outside of Afghanistan and Iraq. If he didn't need them for Iraq and Afghanistan, why would he need them for Germany, because my understanding of prohibition on campaign staff at military installations would probably include the bases he visited.

Posted by: Dusty at July 25, 2008 02:24 PM

You got to be kidding. Obama's a typical libtard. He doesn't want to stain his hands with the dirt of soldiers. They're the enemy, after all. You think the stories about Gore and the Hillibeast are phoney? Libtards dispise soldiers, cops, and all other conservatives.

Posted by: Tonto (USA) at July 25, 2008 04:04 PM

Obama is such a fraud and a disgrace

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at July 25, 2008 04:33 PM

What would he have said to soldiers wounded in Iraq? "Hey, I'm sorry you got hurt but I told you that you were wating your time."? I think he didn't go because 1) He didn't really care about these men since they didn't owe him anything 2) It would have been hard for him to look sympathetic to some one who had sacrificed in making successful a cause he opposed and found repellant 3)Without lots of friendly witnesses what he said might have been "miscontrued" 4) He knows he will not win the military vote; he needs the votes of those who disrespect the military.5) He knows that the MSM will cover for him no matter what he does, so great is their hatred of the President, a commander and chief who has cried a lot of real tears. All in all shopping was safer

Posted by: mytralman at July 25, 2008 04:56 PM

Only a lib could be so stupid as to choose basketball over wounded troops.

And only a conservative could be so stupid as to believe that actually happened.

Posted by: TR at July 25, 2008 05:38 PM

By the way, here's something else for everyone to chew on, courtesy NRO's Campaign Spot blog.

One of the foreign policy advisors to the Obama campaign is one Major General Jonathan Scott Gration, USAF, Ret.

What makes this interesting is that MGen Gration served, from August 1991 to June 1992 at Ramstein AB, Germany, and, even more interesting, from June 2004 on (the website listed only goes up to February 2005) as Director, Plans and Policy Directorate, Headquarters, U.S. European Command, Stuttgart Germany. In short, MGen Gration should have known of this policy, or at the very least should have known who to contact to inquire if there'd be any policy problems.

Makes ya wonder what sort of advice he is giving the Senator.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 25, 2008 06:02 PM

Right after September 11th, President Bush visited some of the people wounded in the pentagon. He took Laura and no one else. His reaction was highly emotional. Bush cares. Obama does not.

I know something about the purple heart. My father, a 1Lt in the 1st Infantry, got one on Omaha Beach, another one in Aachen on day one of the Ardennes Offensive and a third in Operation Lumberjack two days before we took the Ludendorf Bridge. Unfortunately, that one came with a flag. I got one, too, the same way John McCain got his - from an SA-2 over North Vietnam.

The last thing a guy who's recovering needs is a politician. He needs privacy, medical treatment, his family, his friends and physical therapy.

I can't believe would vote to make Obama Commander in Chief.

Posted by: arch at July 25, 2008 06:48 PM

Indeed, Arch.

Our wounded soldiers are NOT props for campaign ads. Period.

I seriously doubt McCain would even consider using them for that, either. Obama... well... I dunno if he would or not.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 25, 2008 07:04 PM

"Our wounded soldiers are NOT props for campaign ads. Period."

Having been one of those wounded guys laying in a rack in Germany. The only reason I could possibly think of, for any service member to want to be on TV with the idiot is to get their face on TV so their families could see them.

Now that being said, of all the Marines I know, in all my travels, I have yet to meet one that supports Obama. I am sure there are some. But given my experiences in my time in the Corps. The Majority lay with the conservatives.

As I said in an earlier thread, I would rather be busted down than be forced to meet with this idiot. Now as the military is not a political organization, that would not happen. Unless someone was being a serious idiot. Some people in politics know this. Some do not.

I do not have any documentation for the next part of my post, but I have heard about it from several friends. Maybe one of you guys can pull something up.

Apparently a month, or less than a month ago, a hospital that caters to our wounded warriors in TX sent an inventation out to both McCain, and Obama. Same stipulations were required as that in Germany. No press, no staffers. McCain said yes, Obama said no.

Like I said, I have not found anything other than message board traffic on this, and scuttlebutt from my Marines. So any information would be appreciated.

Given Obama's past, and current actions. This is not difficult to believe.

Posted by: Matt at July 25, 2008 07:40 PM

75% of the country wants the hopeychangey Chocolate Jesus to win? Rich. He fouled up big time with this overseas victory lap, and even a few of his supporters realize just how narcissistic it's making him look. The half-wit is in over his head and I'm afraid his beloved Rev. God-D@mn America can't help him now. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Are you all through babbling about what's "dignified" or not? Tell me again about dignity even though you and your trashy little fellow Obamicans can barely make a point without accusing Obama opponents of being KKK or Nazis.

Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at July 25, 2008 08:32 PM

When you use phrases like "Chocolate Jesus" do you seriously wonder why "KKK" gets thrown back at you? Really????

Posted by: diogenes at July 25, 2008 08:52 PM

My question to you Ted, (which I pose to ANYONE and EVERYONE who pontificates on the Obamamessahiahs Bandwagon) is

"What or Who are you going to blame 3 years from now?"

The reality is that things for the next few years are going to be tough, and despite the 'blame game' that the Democrats are and have been playing, when Bush is gone and there ain't no one left to blame, then the 'house of cards' that is the Obama Phenomenon will come crashing down in flames...

As they try to play the McCain Campaign as "Bush Part 3" they might want to realize that Obama is nothing more than "Carter Part 2"

Posted by: Big Country at July 25, 2008 08:56 PM

No need to "seriously wonder" about anything that Obama's trained chimpanzee does - obviously it, like many other obamicans is your run-of-the mill "Obama opponents are racist" primate. Hence the logic-free internet posts.

This candidate is a worthless "magic-negro" media creation with almost nothing going for him but white guilt.

Can't argue based on his resume (won't even convene a meeting of his own congressional committees and in desperation LIES about which ones he's on).

Can't argue based on his judgment of character (Rezko? Rev.Godd@m America?).

Can't argue based on his vision for America(even the LA Times admits that there's no way he can pay for the promises he's making).

The race card is the only card in his acolytes' deck. I take it diogenes wasn't old enough to vote in the 1940's and 50's? A shame, because aside from the reversal of skin color the racial politics fixation of the old Democrat party would definitely be to his liking.

Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at July 25, 2008 09:30 PM

Interesting strategery:

Use terms like "Chocolate Jesus" and "Magic Negro."

Wait for innate racism of your comments is called out.

Claim opponent "played the race card."

That's beneath contempt and any further comment.

Posted by: diogenes at July 25, 2008 09:45 PM

As opposed to calling strangers KKK members, no doubt.

Sack of magic-negro worshipping trash.

I expected a better effort. Are we going to see some originality from it or will it still keep its fingers in its ears and chant "racist"?

Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at July 25, 2008 09:50 PM

If the hood fits, wear it.

Posted by: diogenes at July 25, 2008 09:52 PM

For those scurrilously insinuating that Obama doesn't really care about the troops and wouldn't see them unless there was a chance for a photo op, here's an item that throws cold water on that theory, from your favorite news site:

Posted by: Arbotreeist at July 25, 2008 10:03 PM

I'll leave the hood-wearing to senators from West Virginia.

Dio ought to become Obama's speech writer; I am sure screeching "ray-cist" all day is going to tie up those battleground states. Based on that alone, I'm going to go out on a limb and call the whole South for the Messiah.

Keep dancing, demo-monkey. Gimme some originality though.

Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at July 25, 2008 10:04 PM

Hey, you think it somehow makes it OK that a Democratic senator from WV had been a KKK member? Is that somehow supposed to cancel out your ignorance, a racist yin-yang deal? Racism cuts across all political party lines. It doesn't justify it in the least.

I have no doubt that this sounds repititious to you. You've probably heard the words so often in your life that they roll like water off a duck's back. I'm not going to come up with any witty counters to your name-calling; a racist is simply a racist.

And since this has nothing to do with C-Y's original post, I'm leaving it here.

Posted by: diogenes at July 25, 2008 10:42 PM

"Ray-cist." "Ray-cist."

Behold - Magic Negro and Diochimp's substitute for a resume, rationality, or just plain competence.

Great originality in those posts as always. And no - acknowledging repetitive intellectual poverty does not make it anything other than what it is.

Gimme another one, diochimp. Make it quick. And I expect a better effort from one sent by the Messiah himself. Jesus deserves better defenders than some B-team neanderthal.

Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at July 25, 2008 11:01 PM

Chocolate Jesus, yes that is indeed a racist insult. But in case you haven't heard recently, diogenes, so are the terms "oreo", "white nigger" and a few others I won't bother to mention that have been used against conservative blacks, Clarence Thomas in particular. But then let's not forget "diamond merchants", a term coined by that worst of today's black racists, Al Sharpton. Oh, did I forget "hymie town", a term made famous by that patron of racial animosity and well-known shakedown artist Jessie Jackson?

There is no excuse for using this terminology, or any other racially- , religious -, or country of national origin-, insulting language. Yes, there are those on the right who haven't gotten the word (like Ron Paul), but I suggest to you, diogenes, that you spend the appropriate time investigating what is showing up with increasing frequency on the extreme left-wing blogs like Daily KOS, Firedoglake, and the Huffington Post. After that, take a good long look at what is appearing at the Obamassiah's campaign website. To me it is clear that an American future free of racial, religious, and country of national origin prejudice does not lie with the political left.

Posted by: Mescalero at July 25, 2008 11:28 PM

Well said Mescalero!

Posted by: Big Country at July 25, 2008 11:51 PM

I'm sure if he used Congressional travel money improperly, the media will be more than willing to chalk it up as something less than a "gaffe" -- they will probably offer to reemburse the government plus interest. ----- they have already been giving him so much free campaign support....

Posted by: usinkorea at July 26, 2008 03:08 AM

:When you use phrases like "Chocolate Jesus" do you seriously wonder why "KKK" gets thrown back at you? Really????

posted by diogenes at July 25, 2008 08:52 PM"

I do.

Because the Klan was the terrorist arm of the Deomocratic party.

Posted by: N. O'Brain at July 26, 2008 08:36 AM

Just keeping things in context here:

> Interesting strategery:
Use race-delineating comments like "as you've notice, I don't look like the other guys who spoke here" in your speech to thousands of germans.

>Wait for innate racism of your comments is called out.
>Claim opponent "played the race card."
> That's beneath contempt and any further comment.

Still agree? Of course, I can't find a single member of the MSM today that concurs.

Posted by: redherkey at July 26, 2008 10:11 AM

First, I don't care much for Nine's choice of words.

However, with that said, isn't it interesting that it's always the Senator from Illinois that is bringing up his own race, and not the Senator from Arizona?

Can any of you Obamamaniacs show me one reliable report of Sen. McCain making an issue of Sen. Obama's race?

Posted by: C-C-G at July 26, 2008 12:32 PM

Please do not respond to the BS of Diogenese. He infests other sites with the same infantile ranting. Dio has more in common with the Dio who fronted for Black Sabath than some greek seeking an honest man.

Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at July 26, 2008 12:33 PM

I'm planning on voting for McCain and have serious problems with Obama. That said, I cringe when I read insults like "Chocolate Jesus" and "Magic Negro." Obama does play the race card. Let's not get sucked into playing it in reverse. The media is already painting anyone who does not swoon over the wonderous wonderfulness of Obama as a racist. If McCain manages somehow to pull off a suprise win in November, you know what we'll get? Weeks and weeks of MSM pundits bemoaning the "fact" that 50% or more of the electorate yearns to wear white bedsheets and burn crosses. And liberals will point to things like "Magic Negro" and "Chocolate Jesus" as proof of the racism of redstate Amerikkkans. Just like they enjoy searching sites like LGF to find the one poster who says "Nuke the ragheads" so they can claim that that is what LGF is all about. Why give them ammo? I'm not voting against Obama because of his race, but because of his crappy Marxist positions. And yes, I realize he'd never be in the position he is in today if he were white, not with his resume, but the way to fight him is not to get embroiled in the whole race issue. That's what the libs want us to do, because they'd rather we focus on race. Then they really don't have to get into, what, exactly, Obama means by hope and change.

As Mescalero above points out, it's not like the Left is above outright racism. Clarence Thomas has been called an Uncle Tom countless times. Ted Rall portrayed Condi Rice as Prissy, the ditzy slave in "Gone with the Wind." The fury of the left when blacks dare to "leave the plantation" knows no bounds, as Thomas noted.

I think Tom hit the nail on the head:

He is afraid to go on Fox News Sunday because they might ask him a tough question. He is afraid to debate McCain in an open town debate. He is afraid to admit the bravery, sacrifice, courage and performance of our troops during the surge is what made it work. And he is afraid to admit he was wrong about the surge all along. He is afraid to do anything that is not carefully scripted.

Matt: thank you for your service.

Posted by: Donna V. at July 26, 2008 12:42 PM

By antacid stocks. The dem Super-D's must be popping Tums like crazy these days given the way Obama is behaving.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 26, 2008 12:57 PM

The more the Nuts talk the deeper they dig the hole. We already knew the trip was 100% politics but Hussein O thought they had a way to do it on the taxpayer dole. Now one of his nuts admits they have not Senate Staff with them. That (if there is any honesty in the democrat party) makes the entire trip on O. I expect (not) to see the military get a rather large check to cover all the expenses at every stop.
The troop love a man who did everything within his power to get as many of them killed as he possibly could?
In his entire '143 days' in the Senate he has not supported one thing to help or protect the 'American' troops. You could count on his and other democrats BDS driven aid and comfort to AQ.

Posted by: Scrapiron at July 26, 2008 01:04 PM

The latest take on this story has it that Obama & staff knew this would be a Senatorial visit, but an Obama campaign military staffer, a retired 2-star General, put up a hissy fit when told he couldn't attend .. and it all fell apart after that.

Posted by: Neo at July 26, 2008 03:07 PM

Quality wise, this excuse falls into "the dog ate my homework" category.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 26, 2008 05:53 PM

Speaking of your new Messiah: Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW):

Another inconvenient Muslim relative turned up today, a Brother:

And, here's an interesting story from today's UK Telegraph, where in the very first sentence, it says the Obama's do not give "Christmas" nor "Birthday" presents to their children?

Interesting, isn't it?

What kind of "Christians" ban Christmas presents to their children?

I know, I know, Jehovah Witnesses, correct? Do you have evidence that Obama and family, suddenly converted to The Watch Tower group?


Obviously, Jews don't celebrate Christmas, but I doubt that's the Obama's excuse, especially since they've belonged to a patentedly Anti-Semitic "Church" for 20+ years!

There is one other "group" in America however, that neither celebrates Christmas nor Birthdays, but which has approved the giving of "Seasonal Gifts"; which is what the Obama's now do; read about it here:

Interesting, isn't it?

Can you say: "Taqiyah"??

Which is worse?? Stupidity or Willful Ignorance?

Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at July 26, 2008 08:49 PM


Why all the talk about Barack Obama's middle name? Who cares? Did anybody care that a certain WWII American general Bradley had the first name Omar? Wasn't the second rightly-guided Muslim caliph named Omar? Who in the Hell cares?

What matters are contemporary political issues and approaches to solving issues that concern Americans. Barack Obama's middle name, birth certificate, etc. aren't among those issues.

Posted by: Mescalero at July 26, 2008 09:59 PM

Amen, Mescalero. There's plenty of other issues out there to beat Obama over the head with, we don't need to pretend we're tabloid reporters.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 26, 2008 10:31 PM

"Why all the talk about Barack Obama's middle name? "

Simple. Because it's part and parcel of conservative xenophobia. The fact that his middle name is Hussein is scary to a lot of ignoramuses in this country. If someone doesn't have a solid, Christian-sounding name, these people will have misgivings, no matter what.

Posted by: Arbotreeist at July 26, 2008 10:41 PM

Wow, Dale from ATL, what a classy display of ignorance and bigotry.

Bernard Obama is a half-brother. His Father was Barak Obama, Sr, through his first wife, after Senior returned to her. Bernard converted to Islam 18 years ago. I suppose that's enough to tar Barry with a "Moose-limb" brush for some folks.

Dale then asks, with a dramatic flourish worthy of a third-rate prosecutor 'What kind of "Christians" ban Christmas presents to their children?' Well, first, they don't ban them, but merely refuse to give their daughters Christmas presents. Second, I would imagine that any devout Christian would prefer to honor the date of their savior's birth with something more significant than crass, materialistic possessions.

Me, I love goodies on Christmas, but I'm not a devout Christian, either. :)

Dale then jumps to the unjustifiable conclusion that the Obamas "don't celebrate Christmas," just because they don't give their daughters Christmas presents. Dale seems to have a very limited grasp of the nature of Christmas.

Finally Dale "why yes, I really am a bigot" from ATL invokes Taqiyah, subsuming that Barry really is a Manchurian Mooslimb after all.

I think in Dale's case stupidity trumps willful ignorance, but it's a close race.

It's really pathetic that the best some goobers cam come up with are limp-stalked insults like "chocolate Jesus," when you consider the breathtaking panorama of absurdity which is the Obama mythos, not to mention his feeble political record.


Posted by: Casey at July 26, 2008 10:57 PM

Arbortreeist, you conveniently forget all those (including my humble self) who have also stated publicly that attacks like Dale's are out of bounds.

I also believe that Senator McCain is on record saying much the same thing, but of course you conveniently forget that, as well.

Typical lefty. To you, conservatives are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 27, 2008 08:14 AM

Dio? He's been down too long in the midnight sea.

Posted by: brando at July 27, 2008 09:41 AM

Mescalero, C-C-G and Casey, spot on.

I don't care about Obama's middle name. I don't care about his race. As Casey noted, there's enough about the man to dislike without focusing on his middle name. Or the stupidity of calling him the anti-Christ, which just makes the commentator look like a nutcase.

Arbortreeist, nice cherry-picking you're doing there. Zero in on the comments which confirm your stereotypes and ignore the others. Yeah, there's that liberal nuance for you.

And, of course, the left is beyond such pettiness. That must be the reason I've come across such weighty discussions as whether McC really was a POW at all and did he once call his wife a c*nt.

Posted by: Donna V. at July 27, 2008 10:45 AM

Donna, welcome to the ranks of the regulars here. Looks like you'll be a valuable addition to the cause of truth.

As for Arb, his MO is to show up, throw around attacks for a while, and then disappear for a while. I can't prove it, but I suspect he slinks back to DailyKOS or DU to fill up on anti-conservative venom.

Oh, you forgot the lefties questioning whether McCain is really a natural-born US citizen... of course, the left decries questions about Obama's birth certificate, but strangely they have no problem with questioning McCain's birth.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 27, 2008 12:40 PM

So if Dale in Atlanta is symbolic of all conservatives, I guess this is representative of all liberals feelings for the retirement-aged set.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 27, 2008 02:05 PM

Didn't we, not too long ago, have a conversation on this very blog about painting political opponents with a broad brush, CY?

If memory serves, in that discussion many of the lefty commenters actually made good and valid points, in fact, about not painting all lefties with the words of one.

If Mr. Abortreeist would like to peruse it, the thread is right here.

I'll accept an apology from you now, Arb.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 27, 2008 02:53 PM

BTW, CY, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was accusing you of painting with a broad brush. I understand the point you were making, just figured I'd add my own $0.02 to it. :)

Posted by: C-C-G at July 27, 2008 04:23 PM

Thank you for the welcome, C-C-G. Actually, I remember Confederate Yankee from the days we both regularly posted at LGF (back in the early days, before threads routinely got up to 300+ comments.) I don't know how I've missed this blog for so long, but I see CY has retained his good sense.

Posted by: Donna V. at July 27, 2008 04:37 PM

Oh, you forgot the lefties questioning whether McCain is really a natural-born US citizen... of course, the left decries questions about Obama's birth certificate, but strangely they have no problem with questioning McCain's birth.

Oh yeah, that's a good one, isn't it? Another one of those little things that just might - I don't know why - lead our troops and their families to come to the conclusion that the libs do not respect nor honor their service.

Posted by: Donna V. at July 27, 2008 04:52 PM

Blogs from both sides of the aisle covered the "are they eligible" "stories" on both candidates.

Posted by: Kat at July 27, 2008 05:32 PM

And your point, Kat?

Personally, I decry those kinds of stories from both sides, as they seem to me to be more of the same old conspiracy-theory mumbo-jumbo from the kind of mind that thinks that 9/11 was an inside job.

Posted by: C-C-G at July 27, 2008 05:36 PM

My point is (as has been discussed in these comments earlier) there is no monolithic hive-mind controlling "lefties" or "righties" and the stories they do or do not consider appropriate to disseminate. Most people (full stop) think these kinds FWD FWD FWD WHAT IF THIS IS TRUE?!?! stories are stupid. However there are wingnuts on both sides who will buy into and peddle them for months after they've been debunked.

Posted by: Kat at July 27, 2008 05:44 PM

Surrender, Socialism, Taxes: Vote Obama '08

Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at July 27, 2008 06:43 PM

True, Kat, but conservatives don't put wingnuts in charge of the party... as opposed to the new Democrats, who are a wholly owned subsidiary of

Posted by: C-C-G at July 27, 2008 07:07 PM

spin, spin, spin Mr Rorshach.

Posted by: chrs lee at July 28, 2008 06:07 AM

Heads-up CY, the blog spammers have found this thread.

Posted by: Robin Munn at July 28, 2008 02:44 PM
And liberals will point to things like "Magic Negro" and "Chocolate Jesus" as proof of the racism of redstate Amerikkkans.
It should be noted that the Magic Negro meme speaks to a very specific social construct and was coined by David Ehrenstein in the LA Times. Google the term and the first hit will take you there. Ehrenstein is one of the least redstate/conservative people you'll ever encounter, and is also black. As for Chocolate Jesus, that was bound to happen.

http://artsociety.suite101.*com/article.cfm/chocolate_obama_jesus (remove the asterisk)

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