November 13, 2008

The Disqualification That Will Not Die

This election was filled with attempts to disqualify Barack Obama from seeking office for a multitude of technical violations. Some attempted to claim he was born in Kenya, and therefore not a U.S. citizen, and others attempted to claim that this childhood adoption by his stepfather and his Indonesian citizenship stripped him of his U.S. citizenship.

Others had previously attempted to claim Obama was ineligible for federal office because they claimed he did not register for the Selective Service System as required by law. I though I had debunked this claim in an investigation I did for Pajamas Media, when I contacted a Selective Service representative and he verified Obama's registration.

Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1.

I though that confirmation was the end of this line of doubt, but Debbie Schlussel reports that a retired agent who obtained a copy of Obama's registration via a FOIA request suspects that the registration was forged.

How solid is the case they've made? I have no idea.

On the surface it raises some very interesting questions and potential inconsistencies, but I simply lack the technical (and historical) background to judge how much merit the individual claims are, or know if any are potential "smoking guns."

Take a look folks, and let me know what you think.

Posted by Confederate Yankee at November 13, 2008 10:17 AM

I think this crap needs to be given a rest.
Failure to register for selective service won't disqualify anyone for running for president, and continuing to concentrate on this picayune stuff is the domain of the "_DS addled".

Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 13, 2008 12:06 PM

Any action that could have the consequence of elevating Joe Biden to the highest office in the land should be undertaken with the greatest care and reluctance.

Posted by: megapotamus at November 13, 2008 12:24 PM

Something stinks in Obama land or he would simply release his birth records, not have them sealed. Someone else can settle this as it's 'above my pay grade'.
Either way it will be settled with the coming 'civilian defense force'. The dodge the draft democrats will be forced into 'boot camp' instead of allowed a spring break on the beach. That alone will be worth the price of admission, which will be total loss of freedom. 99% of democrats have already sold their soul to the devil, why not allow them to sell their freedom to a dictator? Germany said it couldn't happen, Cuba said it couldn't happen, Venezuela said it couldn't happen. See how well 'it couldn't' happen worked for them.

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 13, 2008 12:44 PM

Just one more example of WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ELECTED THIS MAN FOR PRESIDENT. The things we know about this man are troubling to say the least and yet his "followers" will not listen to anything negative even if it's true. I do not trust this man at all.

Posted by: Kare at November 13, 2008 01:00 PM

Took a postcard and held it up to the 001 of 002 for a straight line, and discovered that the 002 is slightly elevated above the rest of that line. Normally, typewriters (What?) of that day would continue along an absolute straight line unless a correction was made after taking the form out of the typewriter. Just sayin'.

Posted by: TimothyJ at November 13, 2008 04:07 PM

Good lord, don't you people ever give up? The election wasn't dead even like the last two, Obama won by a LANDSLIDE! The electorate have spoken decisively. Get over it, and show us you really mean "country first" and not just when republicans are in charge. Stop acting like spoiled, whiny children do when they don't get their own way. We're all in this together, so start acting like it.

Posted by: neomonkey at November 13, 2008 07:40 PM

Would've listened to you, neomonkey, if I had ever heard that said by the Democrats over the last eight years.

I say forget the picayune stuff (see comment #1 here), but the Democrats have sown the wind. They may yet reap the whirlwind. And if that happens they can only look at each other for the source of that.

Remember? Chimp? Moron? Nazi? Dictator? Civil Rights expunged? Remember?

Enjoy the next few years - I know I will be 'more in saddness than otherwise blah blah'.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 13, 2008 08:07 PM

Yep..There are no FBI checks on Party Candidate's for President. Obama had no access to classified material while a Senator because such a check would have surely turned up birth certificate discrepancies. Hell 40 years ago there was extensive background on me as a kid of 19 before I would get my Cat III clearance as a military crypto operator...
If a basic FBI check cannot find the "smoking gun"
on our President-Elect,;
how many others in office and military service have slipped by...This is really scary!

Posted by: nogopostal at November 13, 2008 08:18 PM


Six percent hardly qualifies as a landslide.

But I have a question for you, since we’re all in this together and we should all start acting like it, would it be okay with you if I started acting like you?

If so, get over it because Obama has a HUGE black hole in his past that no one has accounted for and this funny-looking SSS Registration Form adds more black mass to the black hole.

The questions raised by DS are fair and reasonable questions that deserve fair and reasonable answers, and I personally do not believe that some monkey boy shouting, “Get over it,” is either fair or reasonable, however much you may disagree.

Posted by: CTN at November 13, 2008 08:23 PM

from Neomonkey:

"Stop acting like spoiled, whiny children do when they don't get their own way. We're all in this together, so start acting like it."

Oh I see, we're not supposed to act the way you guys did over the last 8 years.

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2008 08:48 PM

If you could show video of Hussein O murdering and raping 3 year old children the SCOTUS would be scared to do anything about it. The American people have already overlooked his life of crime and association with terrorists. Nothing is left to be done but help him to fail and fail big time. When the welfare crowd, 90% of his voters, figure out they will get less from Hussein (what's left over after his high priced criminals friends from Fannie and Freddie get through) than they would from any other politician they'll turn on him like rabid dogs. It's going to be fun to watch. I like his idea that college students on spring break attend a boot camp instead of visiting the beach. That's go over like a turd in the punch bowl.

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 13, 2008 10:24 PM

Did you know, neomonkey, that in 1998 the elder Bush won a larger percentage of the votes than Obama did this year?

Did the term "landslide" get used much after that election?

It's so easy to debate lefties, they have such a stunted view of history.

Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at November 13, 2008 10:28 PM

Bush the smarter ran in 1998 who knew?

Posted by: stupidityburns at November 13, 2008 11:43 PM

I The "8" key is right next to the "9" key. Mr. Wanderer just needs to not post so quickly. PIMF.


Posted by: Patrick Chester at November 14, 2008 12:56 AM

Hi CY,

Put what to rest? Barack has yet to show his official birth certificate. Last I heard he went back to Hawaii and asked that it would be sealed from view. He did this when he went to see his dying grandmother. Why would anyone do this if he hasn't got something to hide? Some government representive publically spoke out about it in the positive but why not simply show it. Why did he keep his school records secret. Its like he never wrote a thing. It's like his congressional record where he voted I believe over 100 times "present" instead of "yes" or "no". Like a chameleon he is hiding and still is. The kool-aid drinkers are all shouting for us to fall in line but to what? I will pray for him but I won't be blind sided. They are still in denial that this guys best friends are radical extremists. Yet his records that could not be hidden blaringly show this. People, Barack Hussien Obama is not a Washington politics as usual elected President. He is a radical marxist and he has a plan and its not for the people. His rise was not instant but planned and calculated. Bill Ayers is a bird of the same feather and a close friend of his but these people don't seem to understand this and are in fac in denial. We are being told to believe he will be a centrist but that's just more kool-aid. To bring down the USA is the goal. CY you wrote on article on Obama's very close ties to Ayers than what was revealed didn't you? We should not look at Obama's actions under a false centrist perspective but at his every move as calculated with the mind and heart of an Ayers.
Remember the playbook and that its based on rules for radicals not righteous morality and virtue. ACORN was just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: TonyUSA at November 14, 2008 02:00 AM

"Yep..There are no FBI checks on Party Candidate's for President. Obama had no access to classified material while a Senator because such a check would have surely turned up birth certificate discrepancies."

I am not sure the FBI does security checyuten ks on Senators or Congressmen? I do recall one Congressman being taken off the intelligence committee because he wouldn't sign a paper swearing not to divulge classified information.

Posted by: davod at November 14, 2008 03:41 AM

Unfortunately, this will probably get us nowhere. Even if Obama's citizenship could be disproved, where would we go from that point? Who would become president? How would that be decided?

Posted by: Jason at November 14, 2008 05:16 AM

"Good lord, don't you people ever give up? The election wasn't dead even like the last two, Obama won by a LANDSLIDE! The electorate have spoken decisively. Get over it, and show us you really mean "country first" and not just when republicans are in charge. Stop acting like spoiled, whiny children do when they don't get their own way. We're all in this together, so start acting like it.
posted by neomonkey at November 13, 2008 07:40 PM"


Seriously, AHAHAHAHAHHAAH you have GOT to be kidding...

Posted by: DIAF at November 14, 2008 06:10 AM

During the last seven years, we have endured the nutty left-wing rants of "government conspiracy" regarding the events of 9/11, the reasons for invading Iraq, and poppycock cries of vote stealing and voter suppression in 2000 and 2004. To us conservatives, these pieces of drivel seemed like one derangement syndrome after another. Speaking for myself, I suspect the average conservative looks at these nutcases and says, "Don't you have anything better to do?"

Now, we are presented with claims (some supported better than others) that Obama is perhaps not a natural-born citizen; that perhaps he did not register for Selective Service; that perhaps he is a hidden radical leftist (based on his past associations and friendships) posing as a centrist; that perhaps he is more Marxist than Capitalist.

My feelings are probably like most conservatives: these claims may or may not be true, but who wants to resemble the nutcases of the left who would believe almost anything (government involvement in 9/11 and other conspiracy theories)? It's a natural reaction -- heck, I have it and shudder every time I read another "Obama is not a natural citizen" lawsuit or read another claim of a forged document. Frankly, most of me just doesn't want to know and would prefer to get on with life, challenge the Obama administration on traditional conservative principles, and let the country decide the outcome of that debate in 2010.

But, here's the one idea that I just can't seem to get over: LAWS MEAN THINGS. They are the core of who we are as a civilized society. We can't gloss over discrepancies and questions about potential violations of the Constitution and relevant laws just because we fear to be labeled as a "right-wing nutjob" or because we are embarassed to be affiliated with those who raise these questions. The questions raised are fundamental and should be answered.

For me, the entire "Is Obama a legitmate, lawful person to be President?" line of reasoning is not a picture, but rather a mosaic: where single piece of colorable evidence by itself does not form a picture, but where hundreds of small lies and issues over time begin to reveal a picture of a man whose life history may have been altered or even manufactured to fit the mold of a legitimate president. That should concern anyone, regardless who you supported in the election. Just my two cents.

Posted by: W-K-B at November 14, 2008 07:08 AM

Consider the source. Debbie Schlussel is not a completely rational person. I stopped visiting her site over a year ago when she started flame wars with other conservative blogs. I do not consider her site a reliable source.

Posted by: SicSemperTyrannus at November 14, 2008 07:11 AM

True, Patrick, and I--unlike the lefties and Obamamaniacs here (but I repeat myself)--can admit I made an error.

I hereby admit I made an error typing the number "1988."

Now, let's see you folks admit that you made an error calling a 6% victory a "landslide."

Reagan vs. Mondale is a landslide. Obama vs. McCain is not.

Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at November 14, 2008 08:20 AM

"Now, let's see you folks admit that you made an error calling a 6% victory a "landslide."

Reagan vs. Mondale is a landslide. Obama vs. McCain is not."

Let's take "landslide" off the table, then, but let's replace it with "mandate." In '04, Bush said that his smaller victory constituted a mandate for everything he stood for. I don't remember any on the Right disagreeing with that characterization. The Obama victory, then, constitutes an even-more-clearly-stated mandate for what Obama's stated principles, does it not?

Let's go further. If we are to take the Right at its word--both in '04 and in '08--wasn't this election a referendum on the following: socialism in the United States, having an American-hating First Lady, having a Muslim president, having a president who "pals around" with terrorists, and so on (and on and on)? And didn't the American people vote "yes" on all counts?

Posted by: mck at November 15, 2008 10:23 AM

Of course, it does not matter if he registered or not, or when he did so. The only requirements to serve as president are those found in Article II of the Constitution, and they do not include draft registration status. Any attempt to disqualify Obama based upon statutory issues is therefore constitutionally flawed and doomed to failure.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at November 18, 2008 05:55 AM

Bob and the others, I am Stephen Coffman, the retired ICE agent who revealed Senator Obama's Selective Service registration form.

If you have an explanation as to why the Document Locator Number (DLN) appears to be a "08" number and not a "80" number, I would greatly appreciate it. As of today, all I have gotten is hate emails from Obama supporters (and lots of supportive emails from others).

My entire career has been the finding out of the facts. Nothing more. I have declined several offers of being on talk shows. I am not interested fame. 15 minutes or less. Just the truth.

So, please give me an explanation of the issues about the form and if they are plausible, I will announce that everything is okay.

So, what is the explanation for the DLN, the questions about the postal stamp, the form date, the fact the 1980 form was withdrawn, the differences in the dates of the signature and the postal stamp, etc.

So Bob, when you were doing the research to debunk the rumors about Obama's Selective Service registration why didn't you FOIA the actual form like I did?

You apparently merely sent an email - that is all. That is not investigating. That is like a Police asking the burglar, "Did you break in?" and accepting his response of "No." and letting him go.

You can do better than that Bob.

In fact, I think that is why you are upset. It has been shown that you were taken in and did not follow through.

But I will await your response.

My email for ANYONE who has any legitimate answers or questions is:

I await the responses. Of course you are within your rights to say that it does not matter that someone apparently forged government documents.

And please remember I have not alleged it was Senator Obama who allegedly did the deed. It could have been a "helpful" SSS employee.

But there is enough (in my professional opinion) to warrant an investigation. And I did provide SSS with the information prior to giving it to Debbie Schlussel.

And I would be more than willing to visit SSS at my expense, to review their files to verify the information if they do make a statement that it was not forged. As of now, they have not announced anything.


Posted by: StephenCoffman at November 18, 2008 07:38 PM

I was "taken in," eh? Oh, well... somehow, I'll get by.

I find the chip on your shoulder and vaguely accusatory tone rather amusing, Stephen. You think I'm upset over something?

What, precisely?

I thought the questions you raised were interesting enough to bring it up in a post for my readers to discuss, but I have no expectations of it changing anything. I agree with Rhymes with Right that you can run this down and prove every accusation with 100% certainty and it probably won't make a bit of difference in whether or not Obama is eligible to serve as President.

I wish you all the best of luck with your continued investigation, but your appearance here and your tone are comical.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 19, 2008 12:09 AM

Not to get into an argument, but I guess my concern is that you claimed to have debunked a valid issue when all you really did was post one email from the suspected violator. To me that was poor research.

As you may recall we exchanged emails when you first posted Amon's vague reply.

In response to your request, I promised to post here if I was wrong. So my coming on your board and providing you with my findings (as promised) is now comical?

"Rhymes with Right" is probably right in that it will not have a negative impact on Senator Obama.

But what is apparently overlooked is that a federal agency (Selective Service) which operates on the "honor system" may have "falsified records" for political reasons.

I received my draft notice in June 1972 and did serve. I recall the political aspects of the Selective Service back then. It was a tool to be used against those who had different political opinions. I had hoped that the new Selective Service would operate outside the political arena.

The whole Selective Service registration file for Senator Obama may be totally above board and there could be a logical explanation for all the points (however, at this point I do not think so, but I am open).

What bothers me is that the Selective Service (who was provided with the information weeks before this became public) has taken the Ostrich defense of "sticking their head in the sand."

Remember I have not accused Senator Obama of anything. The problems with the registration form could be the result of a "helpful employee" of the Selective Service.

In closing, Bob you have a reputation of exposing the truth. Please maintain that reputation by doing appropriate research BEFORE you "debunk a rumor." Otherwise you do a disservice to your readers.


Posted by: StephenCoffman at November 19, 2008 09:15 AM

The consistent dismissive attitude of those refusing any attempt to reconcile the obvious inconsistencies or informational black holes regarding Obama's birth, education, work, legislative record, et al is similar in voracity to the Obots worshipfest.

If it looks like a swan, talks smooth like a Disney Dumbo movie crow, and tells you it's the stork bringing presents- what should you do? Perhaps some checking is in order. Does anybody know someone else whose background is so consistently inconsistent, who was not of dubious character?

Obama has not once attempted to disprove any criticism with facts or proof- he merely engages in ad hominem attacks, telling everybody he is simply too busy with important things (or is that "too important with busy things"?) to address such questions.

You got answers, I got questions. Why is it that these two naturally harmonic paths refuse to cross?

Hiding the truth takes exponentially more energy than embracing the truth. To embroil oneself in such a situation means one of two things:

1) A mental condition prevents a person from being straightforward about anything. This person misleads at every turn and doesn't know why, it just "seems" easier than telling the truth.

2) The cost analysis indicates that the truth is so damaging, Herculean efforts are well justified in its suppression, regardless of the amount of flack taken.

I suspect that Obama is hiding material facts that would destroy the Omyth he spent so long nurturing. He has done this so long, it is a reflex action at this point.

My suspicions all could be easily and quickly proven unfounded, if Obama would release the records that every other politician is willing to release. These are the records that tell us who he is. Obama is fond of telling everybody who he is, but refuses to provide one iota of evidence supporting his narrative. Is it crazy refusing to concede this obvious point of contention?

Questions are feared only by those who fear the answers...

One Man Alone

Posted by: One Man Alone at November 20, 2008 01:11 AM