August 13, 2009

My Fellow Citizens Confuse Me

According to a new poll, only 54-percent of North Carolinians believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Overall, 26-percent says he wasn't, and 20-percent said they weren't sure.

Obama won North Carolina in 2008 with 49.9-percent of the vote to McCain's 49.5.

Does that mean that quite a few people voted for him even though they weren't sure he was eligible? Or were they simply so fed up with Republicans (and John McCain's poor imitation of one) that they'd rather elect a "foreigner" than a RINO?

Posted by Confederate Yankee at August 13, 2009 09:06 AM

Fifty four is more than 49.9.

Posted by: Jesse Taylor at August 13, 2009 09:31 AM

Jesse, how is your grasp of basic math relevant? Do you arrogantly assume that everyone who thought Obama was a U.S. citizen voted for him?

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 13, 2009 09:34 AM

Bob, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. He could still be a natural born citizen born outside the US.

Posted by: Tony Brusletten at August 13, 2009 09:36 AM

Maybe some people have changed their minds and now believe that he is not a citizen -- at the time of the election these people had not given the issue much attention.

It's Obama's own actions that keep suspicion growing, though I think the b.c. is a red herring and whatever he is trying to conceal is in his student records. Perhaps he received scholarship money as a foreign student after being adopted by his step-father. I wish we could get an all-fronts push to have his sealed records opened.

Posted by: Anon at August 13, 2009 09:41 AM

I like your latter theory. Impossible to overestimate the disgust for Bush and the ersatz conservative McCain. I think many people at the time would have made conscious decision to overlook questionable nationality in their eagerness for something different, even foreign and exotic. Enormous frustration out there, which now, with the betrayals and frauduences and downright dstructiveness of the new guy being revealed, has grown tenfold.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 13, 2009 09:48 AM

Was there some massive statewide party on voting day and everyone in North Carolina got drunk?

Posted by: Joe at August 13, 2009 10:33 AM

Don't blame me, I voted for Palin and that old guy. I still got Obama and Etheridge.

Posted by: Larry at August 13, 2009 10:58 AM

Maybe, as a product of our wonderful government school system, a lot of people think Hawaii is not a US State? :)

Posted by: William Teach at August 13, 2009 11:13 AM

BTW, Joe, based on the election results, the answer to your question would have to be yes.

Posted by: William Teach at August 13, 2009 11:15 AM

We can assume that Barrack was born naturally, whether as a citizen or not, I guess is somewhat of moot point. The ramifications of any 'corrective' measure might be a cure that is worse than the disease at this point in time. I suppose he could impeached and removed form office but the chaos that would ensue might be too disruptive. However, if we can ever learn his hidden histories regarding his foreign travels, academic activities, and other secrets his power to inflict ideological agendas could be muted.

Posted by: JohnFLob at August 13, 2009 11:46 AM

No one can possibly fathom what lurks in the minds of Obama-believers, although it is reasonably certain their thought processes have little to do with fact or logic.

Posted by: Kathy at August 13, 2009 01:53 PM

"The ramifications of any 'corrective' measure might be a cure that is worse than the disease at this point in time."

I remember the same argument being made on the verge of Nixon's impeachment. Instead what we got was Walter Cronkite intoning "the Constitution has worked". Regardless, we survived, but the damage done by the "Watergate babies" in Congress was incalculable.

Posted by: Locomotive Breath at August 13, 2009 03:09 PM

I think you have to ask your self if it is worth fighting over and realize the battle will be all about the color of his skin and not the content of his character. We are hearing it already.
It is the Constitution and in my humble opinion it needs to be upheld.

I do wonder though, why he doesn't make this go away? It makes no sense but it occurs to me if you give a dog something to chew on it usually won't go digging something else up.

Posted by: mxdg at August 13, 2009 05:18 PM

I can only speak for Asheville... we had scores of people voting that spoke no english...

Posted by: Blue at August 13, 2009 05:20 PM

Can't be impeached from an office you don't lawfully hold. You are just simply removed and every function or act you performed is null and void, but, subject to review and ratification.

Presume the Grand Plaigerizer would assume the office, yet the whole thing just stinks.

Even if Barry was born in Hawaii, there's something very embarrasing about his BIRTH CERTIFICATE....I think it says Franklin Davis is his daddy.

If so, Barry's whole tale unravels, "Dreams of My Father" becomes a knowing falsehood and subject to Jack Cashill's easy knock-down.

Its like the first small leak in the dike that grows to mammoth proportions; the Dems are washed up and washed away with the Big Lie from Barry!


Posted by: Earl T at August 13, 2009 05:25 PM

His citizenship wasn't questioned until after the election.

Did you see the story a week or two ago where Johnny Mac didn't pursue it?

Posted by: Veeshir at August 13, 2009 07:14 PM

Veeshir @7:14 "His citizenship wasn't questioned until after the election."

That is a lie.

Posted by: Mark E at August 13, 2009 07:55 PM

Don't feel bad...12% of the Conservatives asked didn't think or are not sure Hawaii is a state. Kinda funny stuff right there.

Posted by: Lipiwitz at August 13, 2009 08:01 PM

One of his parents was a Kenyan. A natural born citizen should be born to two American citizen parents. Either naturalized or natural. The idea was there would be no possiblity of some loyalty to a foreign nation. Obama idolizes his father who abandoned him. It will never see its day in court but Obama is not a natural born citizen. Whether or not he was born in Kenya.

Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at August 13, 2009 08:18 PM

It is impossible to under estimate the intelligence of the average citizen in regards to US geography, American history, knowledge of the Constitution, how many Senators each state has or even the name of their own Congressman.

For years I've been amazed when I read "polls" such as the one to which you refer. I'm not being an elitist when I say this. It's just a fact.

Posted by: Dude at August 13, 2009 11:12 PM

Case Study in why historically bastards are, ummm, bastards?

Posted by: Druid at August 13, 2009 11:12 PM

"....One of his parents was a Kenyan. A natural born citizen should be born to two American citizen parents.....Obama is not a natural born citizen......"

You'll be hard pressed to show us a SCOTUS decision, that still stands, to support your mistaken belief.

Posted by: Dude at August 13, 2009 11:24 PM

Dude, respectfully and out of curiosity, just when did you swear allegiance to SCOTUS?

Posted by: Druid at August 14, 2009 12:18 AM

Aw crap! We tossed the Birthers a scrap and now look.

Posted by: Lipiwitz at August 14, 2009 12:40 AM


It isn't that I've sworn allegiance to the SCOTUS. Rather, I recognize that in our legal system SCOTUS rulings/opinions when interpreting the Constitution are, in fact, the Law of the Land, even when I disagree with them. And, I frequently do disagree.

Posted by: Dude at August 14, 2009 09:53 AM

It's possible, as somebody above remarked facetiously, that these people don't realize Hawaii is a state.

You really want to piss off a Hawaiian (by which I mean a person living in Hawaii, and not "Native Hawaiian"), call the Mainland "The States."

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 14, 2009 11:50 AM

"It's possible, as somebody above remarked facetiously, that these people don't realize Hawaii is a state."

I don't doubt for a minute that a certain percentage of the population doesn't know that Hawaii is a state.

Several years ago I was going out to New Mexico to work for a while. A neighbor asked me: "Is that in America?" She was serious as a heart attack, too.

This is not a liberal vs conservative issue. This is simply ignorance, for which there is no excuse.

For years, poll after poll have shown contradictions between given facts and the public's perception of the facts. It's astonishing!

The link below is to an article written in 2006 by Paul Craig Roberts: Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

In other words, we're not talking about some liberal, commie, whacko. We're talking about an intelligent person with conservative credentials who is also befuddled by the ignorance of "the people".

We are an ignorant society, sad to say.

Posted by: Dude at August 14, 2009 12:37 PM

Kind of a side topic, but... Since Barry was born to citizens of two countries, did he recieve citizenship from both? And if so, does he still hold duel citizenship? If he did receive duel citizenship, but does not now, when did he relinquish?

Posted by: Rather Stay Anonymous at August 14, 2009 12:58 PM

Arrgghhh.... "duel" should be "dual".... Preview is my fried.

Posted by: Rather Stay Anonymous at August 14, 2009 01:42 PM

That's a fair question. Though it doesn't necessarily apply to Obama's status (because we don't know if he is or has ever been a dual citizen. He IS, by all legal standards recognized as a natural born US citizen), the links below may address some of your questions about dual citizenship, in general:

Hope this helps............

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